LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[SpacePhoenix]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

Doesn't matter if it arrives at the office, only 1c and tracked are delivered on saturday.

You are wasting your time

He’s had this explained to him a hundred times and he doesn’t listen

We don't care what happens to it once it gets to the DOs, the 1C and 2C WILL be coming through together, you'll just have to extract the 1C or you'll go down as failing the 1C.

There isn't any first class in the sequenced.

There is ALWAYS 1C in the sequenced. 1C and 2C are ALWAYS sequenced together.

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.

Well your local MC isn't doing the DTS properly, it'd be very rare for a batch not to have any 1C in wave 1. On the screen of the CSS when we're selecting the batch that we're going to be running there's a green bar which shows the % of DPs that have got 1C. For BOTH waves ALL AVAILABLE 1C and 2C is run together, the machine decides what will get deferred.

[steve1873]

Does the 2c which is released because a 1c letter has arrived just come with the usual MECH, if so, then it'll just sit in a tray with the other MECH until somebody gets around to prepping it on the following Monday as they'll be no prep done on a Saturday, as they'll become just like Sunday's, you'll come in sort the parcels and scan them for delivery, you won't be prepping MECH post or the flats if they aren't going out on a Saturday.

The only difference will be you'll also take out the 1c mail plus, possibly, NHS letters.

All 1C and 2C that has been either released due to a DP having a 1C item, the 2C item has hit the time limit or there are other 2C items being released for the DP are all sequenced together. Any 1C that goes out in the mech to the DOs will simply be put down as a DO failure, if it's just sat under a bench.

A post a few posts up mentions that they are considering doing sequencing during the day Sunday. That is not allowed, there's a cut-off time for running batches. After that no batches can be run until about 23:30 at night otherwise it screws up the DTS data nationally. Turning the DTS won't be an option, there's the odd exemption given when there's an absolutely massive bulk posting like poll cards or council tax, other than that we're not allowed to turn the DTS off. If the DTS were turned off then ALL 2C would get sequenced and go out to the DOs.

It wont be a failure any more than 2c sitting in a frame on non core days or in a tray under frame on non core days. It ISN'T due for delivery until the Monday, regardless of when it leaves the mail centre.

[Acca Dacca]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

Doesn't matter if it arrives at the office, only 1c and tracked are delivered on saturday.

You are wasting your time

He’s had this explained to him a hundred times and he doesn’t listen

We don't care what happens to it once it gets to the DOs, the 1C and 2C WILL be coming through together, you'll just have to extract the 1C or you'll go down as failing the 1C.

You’ve said that the 2nd class will be out for delivery though when it wont be

[steve1873]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

Doesn't matter if it arrives at the office, only 1c and tracked are delivered on saturday.

You are wasting your time

He’s had this explained to him a hundred times and he doesn’t listen

We don't care what happens to it once it gets to the DOs, the 1C and 2C WILL be coming through together, you'll just have to extract the 1C or you'll go down as failing the 1C.

There isn't any first class in the sequenced.

There is ALWAYS 1C in the sequenced. 1C and 2C are ALWAYS sequenced together.

Unless the magic 1st class fairies separate it then you are wrong. For months 1c comes in as manual mail or is in a small walk sorted bundle.

[steve1873]

Today being the exception with all the postal ballots in amongst the sequenced.

[TopperGas]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

[ted_e_bear]

We don't care what happens to it once it gets to the DOs, the 1C and 2C WILL be coming through together, you'll just have to extract the 1C or you'll go down as failing the 1C.

It's quickly approaching the point where we don't care what happens to any of the mail once it gets to the DO either, although I don't think RM have been too concerned either for a while now

[whisperlite6]

In reality in our office, most managers have given up checking you are taking 1st class. At one point they would scour the rounds and put 1st class into a tray for it go for a ride with LAT's or collections but they've even given up on asking/checking. It's back to (on a van share) attempt up to one side with tracked and 1st class packets on both side. This ignores days off. The volume of mail delivered is dependent on how many days are in the frame, how many tracked we've scanned that morning and the hours in the day.
This week I've two extra days off.All three have not been covered i.e. partner is just doing parcels for all 3 days. Expecting a s**t show on Monday.

[yellowbelly]

In reality in our office, most managers have given up checking you are taking 1st class. At one point they would scour the rounds and put 1st class into a tray for it go for a ride with LAT's or collections but they've even given up on asking/checking. It's back to (on a van share) attempt up to one side with tracked and 1st class packets on both side. This ignores days off. The volume of mail delivered is dependent on how many days are in the frame, how many tracked we've scanned that morning and the hours in the day.
This week I've two extra days off.All three have not been covered i.e. partner is just doing parcels for all 3 days. Expecting a s**t show on Monday.

Same, we just leave loops of mail whether it's 1st, 2nd, whatever including NHS letters - all left till the next day or whenever.

[Mr Rush]

I've not included Saturdays in this as we are pushing for earlier finishes apparently.

Earlier but not early, unfortunately. At best it'll be 20 minutes, not noon but three hours past it, because processing is more centralised than ever and that's what's propelling deliveries out of the AM period. Unless you live next to the Midlands Hub and get out at 0930

[clashcityrocker]

Same, we just leave loops of mail whether it's 1st, 2nd, whatever including NHS letters - all left till the next day or whenever.

We would be in the office.
Though nobody seems to care about the NHS bowel cancer test kits.

[TopperGas]

Same, we just leave loops of mail whether it's 1st, 2nd, whatever including NHS letters - all left till the next day or whenever.

We would be in the office.
Though nobody seems to care about the NHS bowel cancer test kits.

We're told to treat them as 1c but I can't imagine many customers sat waiting for them to be delivered.

[SpacePhoenix]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

[claretandblue]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

[SpacePhoenix]

Incorrect, I can't remember the last time I saw a 1c in first wave, all 1c comes in small second wave or manual.


It's the same at my DO, what logic would there be including 1c in every tray of MECH as that would mean it would have to be look through for any 1c even if it wasn't going out that day?

Your local MC isn't doing things properly. For wave 1 ALL available mech mail is meant to be run whether it's 1C or 2C. The DTS system decides what 2C is due for delivery, it releases what is due for delivery.

Maybe ours are already compliant with odm and yours isn't?

The DTS software is the same no matter where a CSS is located. We average about 50% of the 2C being released every day.