LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[Valentina@1]

CWU taking a pounding in Facebook comments for their No more ODM with clapping hands emoji post and rightfully so

They must take us for absolute idiots to think we would swallow this s**t

I can only think they believe members have a short memory and can't remember the previous trialled methods.
It's as if they have been told by RM that this is being brought in, non negotiable. RM let them sit inside the tent long enough to tie it into a pay deal and the CWU get to name it and choose the colours of the frames.

Lol. The union only think they have a say in Royal Mail. It’s coming so we may all just accept and get on with it. At the end of the day, if it fails and mail sits in frames for days, who gives a bollocks? We all still get paid as we do now.

Still surprising there's no "stick" to encourage us to vote "Yes" I can't see how the CWU are going to get a "Yes" vote, when we're basically voting for additional work with nothing in return.

We are getting a pay rise and potentially more Saturdays off. How is it additional work when you are still working 37 hours? What I do in my time now will be exactly the same as what I do in my time when changes come in

We're entitled to an annual pay rise regardless?

When the changes come in you'll do what your manager tells you, at the moment you just do whatever duty you're assigned to each day.

Regardless I assume you'll be one of the few who'll be voting "Yes" then?

I’ll do what I have to do within my time and not a second more, which is exactly what I do now. Nothing changes.

Royal Mail will go ahead with it no matter what you vote. I’m not in the CWU so I won’t be voting for anything.

Why do people keep mentioning a VOTE…..I was under impression there is no vote on this,
Can somebody confirm this please

[Perseus]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

[TopperGas]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

I'm not so sure they will this time, unless people are absolutely desperate for the 3%/4.75% pay rise, why would they vote for the "3 into 4" duties and a cut in OT rate for new contracts staff?

After the last dispute there was a nice sweetener to encourage the "Yes" vote?

[Pfrizzy10]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

I'm not so sure they will this time, unless people are absolutely desperate for the 3%/4.75% pay rise, why would they vote for the "3 into 4" duties and a cut in OT rate for new contracts staff?

After the last dispute there was a nice sweetener to encourage the "Yes" vote?

Because people work to get money and want more money?

[TopperGas]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

I'm not so sure they will this time, unless people are absolutely desperate for the 3%/4.75% pay rise, why would they vote for the "3 into 4" duties and a cut in OT rate for new contracts staff?

After the last dispute there was a nice sweetener to encourage the "Yes" vote?

Because people work to get money and want more money?

So you're one of the absolutely desperate ones, assuming you're in the union(?), let's see how many others they are.

[TopperGas]

Does the 2c which is released because a 1c letter has arrived just come with the usual MECH, if so, then it'll just sit in a tray with the other MECH until somebody gets around to prepping it on the following Monday as they'll be no prep done on a Saturday, as they'll become just like Sunday's, you'll come in sort the parcels and scan them for delivery, you won't be prepping MECH post or the flats if they aren't going out on a Saturday.

The only difference will be you'll also take out the 1c mail plus, possibly, NHS letters.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

I can understand new entrants voting YES because despite the loss of the 1.25% OT rate and the rather pathetic few pence closer to legacy pay increase, there is something else which nobody seems to have mentioned. That is that finally we have a definite pathway to equalisation with the next step no later than next January, a timetable by that date too, and the government keeping an eye on them to make sure they continue working towards the goals of the agreement. Its not great but it offers more hope than when Walshy was talking about a 3 year wait.

[Joe2783]

I can understand new entrants voting YES because despite the loss of the 1.25% OT rate and the rather pathetic few pence closer to legacy pay increase, there is something else which nobody seems to have mentioned. That is that finally we have a definite pathway to equalisation with the next step no later than next January, a timetable by that date too, and the government keeping an eye on them to make sure they continue working towards the goals of the agreement. Its not great but it offers more hope than when Walshy was talking about a 3 year wait.

The union said a definite full pathway was coming in September last year, and that didn’t happen.
This agreement has made the gap between legacy and new contacts even further apart, and that’s why new entrants should vote no

[toonshola]

I can understand new entrants voting YES because despite the loss of the 1.25% OT rate and the rather pathetic few pence closer to legacy pay increase, there is something else which nobody seems to have mentioned. That is that finally we have a definite pathway to equalisation with the next step no later than next January, a timetable by that date too, and the government keeping an eye on them to make sure they continue working towards the goals of the agreement. Its not great but it offers more hope than when Walshy was talking about a 3 year wait.

Yeah I wouldn’t get hopes up about that. Once January 2027 rolls around the uso will have already been implemented nationwide so what reason or incentive would RM have to equalise new entrants. The last slither of leverage the union has was just pissed away this week. Total stupidity from Ward and Walsh.

[Pfrizzy10]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

I'm not so sure they will this time, unless people are absolutely desperate for the 3%/4.75% pay rise, why would they vote for the "3 into 4" duties and a cut in OT rate for new contracts staff?

After the last dispute there was a nice sweetener to encourage the "Yes" vote?

Because people work to get money and want more money?

So you're one of the absolutely desperate ones, assuming you're in the union(?), let's see how many others they are.

Not desperate and not in the union either. As I said, I work to make money and if there’s more money offered, I’ll take it.

USO reform means nothing to me. I don’t care if it works, if it fails, if people don’t get their letters for a year. It makes no difference. I get paid.

[SpacePhoenix]

Does the 2c which is released because a 1c letter has arrived just come with the usual MECH, if so, then it'll just sit in a tray with the other MECH until somebody gets around to prepping it on the following Monday as they'll be no prep done on a Saturday, as they'll become just like Sunday's, you'll come in sort the parcels and scan them for delivery, you won't be prepping MECH post or the flats if they aren't going out on a Saturday.

The only difference will be you'll also take out the 1c mail plus, possibly, NHS letters.

All 1C and 2C that has been either released due to a DP having a 1C item, the 2C item has hit the time limit or there are other 2C items being released for the DP are all sequenced together. Any 1C that goes out in the mech to the DOs will simply be put down as a DO failure, if it's just sat under a bench.

A post a few posts up mentions that they are considering doing sequencing during the day Sunday. That is not allowed, there's a cut-off time for running batches. After that no batches can be run until about 23:30 at night otherwise it screws up the DTS data nationally. Turning the DTS won't be an option, there's the odd exemption given when there's an absolutely massive bulk posting like poll cards or council tax, other than that we're not allowed to turn the DTS off. If the DTS were turned off then ALL 2C would get sequenced and go out to the DOs.

[Emohawk]

4 town walks ( two coloured Blue Two coloured Yellow) will be grouped together and be delivered by 3 posties

Day 1 Shared van pair on Blue walks will deliver all the mail as they do now whilst Singleton van delivers 1st class and parcels on the yellow walks

Day 2 Shared van pair deliver all the mail on the yellow walks whilst Singleton van does the 1st class and parcels on the blue walks.

Repeat Mon-Fri, Saturday only 1st class and parcels delivered So either fewer people in or earlier finish a possibilty

So, if I have this right,

One day mail on blue walks day one.
Two days mail on yellow walks day two
Two days mail on blue walks day three
Two days mail on yellow walks on day four
Two days mail on blue walks on day five
Day six, no 2nd class taken out so an extra days mail is added.
Day seven (Monday week 2) three days mail on yellow walks
Day eight, three days mail on blue walks.

[ted_e_bear]

4 town walks ( two coloured Blue Two coloured Yellow) will be grouped together and be delivered by 3 posties

Day 1 Shared van pair on Blue walks will deliver all the mail as they do now whilst Singleton van delivers 1st class and parcels on the yellow walks

Day 2 Shared van pair deliver all the mail on the yellow walks whilst Singleton van does the 1st class and parcels on the blue walks.

Repeat Mon-Fri, Saturday only 1st class and parcels delivered So either fewer people in or earlier finish a possibilty

So, if I have this right,

One day mail on blue walks day one.
Two days mail on yellow walks day two
Two days mail on blue walks day three
Two days mail on yellow walks on day four
Two days mail on blue walks on day five
Day six, no 2nd class taken out so an extra days mail is added.
Day seven (Monday week 2) three days mail on yellow walks
Day eight, three days mail on blue walks.

Yep that's it.

But don't worry, the plan is that due to singleton duties rotating half their mail daily they'll be available to help, think of it as a big team in the office all working seamlessly together.

[Emohawk]

Yep that's it.

But don't worry, the plan is that due to singleton duties rotating half their mail daily they'll be available to help, think of it as a big team in the office all working seamlessly together.

It's going to be interesting to see how that will happen, considering all singleton walks are either HCT or rural duties.

[derekm]

There will be a ballot on this. CWU confirmed it on their facebook tonight.
Once the PEC endorses it, enough people will vote yes. Always will.

I'm not so sure they will this time, unless people are absolutely desperate for the 3%/4.75% pay rise, why would they vote for the "3 into 4" duties and a cut in OT rate for new contracts staff?

After the last dispute there was a nice sweetener to encourage the "Yes" vote?

Don’t think the pay rise is anything to do with this. It had already been agreed just an extra 1% on top some pec member was on f/b and answered that question. Seems wages have been informed now up to them when payed.