Payrise

[Acca Dacca]

You are a stooge

[dohnut]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Hope your not in union because if you are your wasting ( hard earned money) simply because you seem to want to give away hard fought terms an conditions.

Lets be honest we pop bits of paper through doors and knock on if we have a parcel. Its not like we're a builder labourer.

And that comparison is for what reason. its the people in job long before you an me who have fought for what we have today but backbone less people like you would give it all back tommorow wtf. ask for a pay cut if you think your too well paid for what you do.

Exactly, what other job gives you bad back, knees, working in ALL weathers, no energy when you finally get home, and having to deal with either incompetent, or worse bully managers. We deserve a good pay rise without conditions attached, but like everyone on here is saying it will be 3/4%, payable in October backdated, with a long list of conditions.

[2yearpostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Hope your not in union because if you are your wasting ( hard earned money) simply because you seem to want to give away hard fought terms an conditions.

Lets be honest we pop bits of paper through doors and knock on if we have a parcel. Its not like we're a builder labourer.

And that comparison is for what reason. its the people in job long before you an me who have fought for what we have today but backbone less people like you would give it all back tommorow wtf. ask for a pay cut if you think your too well paid for what you do.

Exactly, what other job gives you bad back, knees, working in ALL weathers, no energy when you finally get home, and having to deal with either incompetent, or worse bully managers. We deserve a good pay rise without conditions attached, but like everyone on here is saying it will be 3/4%, payable in October backdated, with a long list of conditions.

Police
Builder
paramedic
highways officer
dustman....

[dohnut]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Hope your not in union because if you are your wasting ( hard earned money) simply because you seem to want to give away hard fought terms an conditions.

Lets be honest we pop bits of paper through doors and knock on if we have a parcel. Its not like we're a builder labourer.

And that comparison is for what reason. its the people in job long before you an me who have fought for what we have today but backbone less people like you would give it all back tommorow wtf. ask for a pay cut if you think your too well paid for what you do.

Exactly, what other job gives you bad back, knees, working in ALL weathers, no energy when you finally get home, and having to deal with either incompetent, or worse bully managers. We deserve a good pay rise without conditions attached, but like everyone on here is saying it will be 3/4%, payable in October backdated, with a long list of conditions.

Police
Builder
paramedic
highways officer
dustman....

Police on lot more money, retire at 55
Builders (brickies) don't work in the rain
Paramedics, again better money and pension
You are defo a manager and has probably never been a postie.

[citypostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

No kids and if it's any of your business I've got enough put aside to keep me going for a year or so with no wages. I'll go the distance, you just bend over and take it dry like a good little slave

[POSTMAN]

Ignore him.......
Re Covid problems...

i live-in with my 70yr old parents one of which has copd, how the hell do i juggle this one?

[2yearpostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

No kids and if it's any if your business I've got enough put aside to keep me going for a year or so with no wages. I'll go the distance, you just bend over and take it dry like a good little slave

Good for you, a lot of the younger posties havent so wouldnt be able to afford it unfortunatley. A lot will probably have to take you last bit of advise if they did.

[Chelseablue]

Grow some balls 2year posty

[2yearpostie]

Grow some balls 2year posty

Why the personal assult. Ive said myself and plenty of other younger posties cant afford to strike as we are living week to week as it is. Would you prefer to see your collegues out on the street for a 6 or 7 % increase which amounts to less than an extra 80p an hour?

Id much rather accept 2% keep a job and at least have some income coming in to cover the basics. We do have a no skills job after all and i cant find anything that pays more than £12 a hour for having no skills can you?

[2yearpostie]

Ignore him.......
Re Covid problems...

i live-in with my 70yr old parents one of which has copd, how the hell do i juggle this one?

your point?

[Chelseablue]

Its. Assault. I kinda apologise but we are in a battle for our t and cs where does it end? Lets for once stick up for ourselves.

[2yearpostie]

Its. Assault. I kinda apologise but we are in a battle for our t and cs where does it end? Lets for once stick up for ourselves.

I get it, but ideology dont pay the rent.

[Acca Dacca]

You are arguing with yourself - you are saying that a lot of younger posties cant afford to strike as they are living week to week and then you are saying that this job pays well. So which is it? If its so well paying then why cant the younger posties make any savings?

Or could it be that the cost of living crisis means that it ISNT so well paid now,enough to I dont know maybe make some savings for a rainy day.....?

Something that an inflation beating payrise could help combat perhaps.....

Nah 2yearpostie is happy with what we have ( even though he says most of us cant afford to lose a few days pay )

[Acca Dacca]

Its. Assault. I kinda apologise but we are in a battle for our t and cs where does it end? Lets for once stick up for ourselves.

I get it, but ideology dont pay the rent.

You are the one who says you are happy to forego a payrise and accept what amounts to a pay DROP in order for nothing to change

You are a stooge or a troll or both

[2yearpostie]

You are arguing with yourself - you are saying that a lot of younger posties cant afford to strike as they are living week to week and then you are saying that this job pays well. So which is it? If its so well paying then why cant the younger posties make any savings?

Or could it be that the cost of living crisis means that it ISNT so well paid now,enough to I dont know maybe make some savings for a rainy day.....?

Something that an inflation beating payrise could help combat perhaps.....

Nah 2yearpostie is happy with what we have ( even though he says most of us cant afford to lose a few days pay )

It pays well if we get paid.if we strike we dont get paid. you cant pay the rent if you dont get paid. No people generally dont get savings unless your uber skilled and get a job paying over 30k. As nice as it would be to get 30k to put paper through holes in the door its never going to happen.