Payrise

[HTPostman]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

if you accept anything less that inflation you will be losing more than the equivalent of 1hr. can you afford to lose that much? can we all afford to NOT strike.?

What was the percentage of returned ballot papers in the last ballot? Perhaps there are too many "I'm all right Jack!" who don't care about worse terms and conditions as long as they get a few hundred quid back pay (pro rata)

I believe turnout was 63%, number of RM employees who are in the union is hard to find but I’ve seen it given as 110,000. In my opinion it’s shocking that more than 40,000 refused or forgot to vote.

[HTPostman]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.

£1500 multiplied by 130,000 workers (approx) is £195m. Given the business are needlessly buying back £200m of shares (which amounts to just 5% of the total shares available) for no clear or logical reason then I’d say they can afford it. They could quite easily cancel the share buyback, reward the workers (even if not as much as 7%), and work with us - just like they could and should’ve done with the revision.

[daveyeff]

Can it be requested to see the RM books?....although even if it were allowed i'm sure they would find some way of 'hiding' the true figures in plain site. Ive heard rumours they make a billion in D2Ds alone. Remember when they were 'losing' a million pound a day way back in 2007?...P and O ferries said exactly the same thing a few months back....it must be a ballpark figure used by all big companies to get workers to accept pisspoor pay increases and we end up with buttons and a pat on the back for 'saving' the company.

[Jefferson Starfish]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.

£1500 multiplied by 130,000 workers (approx) is £195m. Given the business are needlessly buying back £200m of shares (which amounts to just 5% of the total shares available) for no clear or logical reason then I’d say they can afford it. They could quite easily cancel the share buyback, reward the workers (even if not as much as 7%), and work with us - just like they could and should’ve done with the revision.

Isn't it something like each 1% costs about £40 million?

[Clappedoutpostie]

Can it be requested to see the RM books?....although even if it were allowed i'm sure they would find some way of 'hiding' the true figures in plain site. Ive heard rumours they make a billion in D2Ds alone. Remember when they were 'losing' a million pound a day way back in 2007?...P and O ferries said exactly the same thing a few months back....it must be a ballpark figure used by all big companies to get workers to accept pisspoor pay increases and we end up with buttons and a pat on the back for 'saving' the company.

They are a publicly listed company, the accounts are out there for all to see.

[number one]

How many workers are we losing each year for various reasons VS new recruits? Also how many staff have we lost to automation? If we are paying less on wages due to automation the they can afford a substantial pay rise for the remaining staff.

It make me laugh that they always compare us to the competition well if they want to do that then they can compare our poor overtime rate to their 1.5 rate but I’m sure they don’t want to include that. Selective at best, miss-leading at worst.

[Cucumber]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.

£1500 multiplied by 130,000 workers (approx) is £195m. Given the business are needlessly buying back £200m of shares (which amounts to just 5% of the total shares available) for no clear or logical reason then I’d say they can afford it. They could quite easily cancel the share buyback, reward the workers (even if not as much as 7%), and work with us - just like they could and should’ve done with the revision.

Isn't it something like each 1% costs about £40 million?

That's been said numerous times, as if it's a negative thing or a reason to not give a rise.

[Acca Dacca]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.

£1500 multiplied by 130,000 workers (approx) is £195m. Given the business are needlessly buying back £200m of shares (which amounts to just 5% of the total shares available) for no clear or logical reason then I’d say they can afford it. They could quite easily cancel the share buyback, reward the workers (even if not as much as 7%), and work with us - just like they could and should’ve done with the revision.

Isn't it something like each 1% costs about £40 million?

That's been said numerous times, as if it's a negative thing or a reason to not give a rise.

As relevant as saying paying us any wage costs the business £3bn so we should expect to work for free

[Cucumber]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.

£1500 multiplied by 130,000 workers (approx) is £195m. Given the business are needlessly buying back £200m of shares (which amounts to just 5% of the total shares available) for no clear or logical reason then I’d say they can afford it. They could quite easily cancel the share buyback, reward the workers (even if not as much as 7%), and work with us - just like they could and should’ve done with the revision.

Isn't it something like each 1% costs about £40 million?

That's been said numerous times, as if it's a negative thing or a reason to not give a rise.

As relevant as saying paying us any wage costs the business £3bn so we should expect to work for free

The days of RM being able to fool the workforce by pleading poverty every time a pay rise comes up are over. It's happened too often in the past, so I suppose they are going to keep trying it. This one will be going to strike, I've no doubt any more.

[datasaint]

Clearly RM have still got their eye set on eliminating Parcelforce if they want to take on bigger parcels.

They wanted to desperately TUPE the Parcelforce employees and make it it's own business away from RM under RIco's reign, so I doubt very much this ambition has gone.

[datasaint]

The days of RM being able to fool the workforce by pleading poverty every time a pay rise comes up are over. It's happened too often in the past, so I suppose they are going to keep trying it. This one will be going to strike, I've no doubt any more.

The company got the legitimacy of the last strike ballot scrapped because a manager saw employees filling in the ballot at work.

You honestly think we will get anywhere near a strike. People can least afford it now, the general public rely on RM services less and less (look how little people reacted to Saturday deliveries being axed temporarily), and the business is using more and more agency staff and machines.

[Woody Guthrie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

[citypostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

[Clappedoutpostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

[2yearpostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?