Managerial illegal activity

[thefox]

The vote is over, yes won the day, democracy in action.
Time to move on people and try to deal with whats in front of us, you are only giving ammunition to certain individuals who enjoy to try to beat you with the "NO" stick.
It is also working the other way too and the "YES" voters get it in the neck.
I would hope we are all adults and could just stick to the subject at hand, going round in circles all the time is becoming boring.
We have enough on our plate going forward without the pettiness of some people.

Excellent post,well said.

You cant move on when the agreement was broken on the first day,this topic was about the illegal activity of managers but slowly progressed to the nasty,moaning, selfish and guilty side of some yes voters who troll this site,not all as some who voted yes in our office had their own reasons but were still worried about the outcome ,what does amaze me is the people who post on here are amazed and surprised on whats coming their way,you really couldn't make it up.

Some of the no voters are as bad but ,as soon as something happens its all this aye well you just have to suck it up you voted for it then its the yes voters with the i hope your donating your lump sum/backpay to charity bullshit because you voted against it,it just seems to go round and round in circles whats done is done i dont like it either and voted no but we have to move on it is what it is.

[scotchy1962]

RM don't care what way anyone voted and probably could have cared less about the result, it's the grey areas in the agreement they are playing on and are finding creative ways to decipher them to their advantage so they can beat us some more.
I think the only answer for the union is to be just as creative with their responses, fight fire with fire, anything that gives us some sort of leverage.

[LouBarlow]

The vote is over, yes won the day, democracy in action.
Time to move on people and try to deal with whats in front of us, you are only giving ammunition to certain individuals who enjoy to try to beat you with the "NO" stick.
It is also working the other way too and the "YES" voters get it in the neck.
I would hope we are all adults and could just stick to the subject at hand, going round in circles all the time is becoming boring.
We have enough on our plate going forward without the pettiness of some people.

While I agree with this, in principle, the truth is the agreement, and how people voted on it, is going to be consistently brought up going forward, even if it isn’t relevant, and assuming RM even stick to it, which is already seeming unlikely.

[guardianangel]

The vote is over, yes won the day, democracy in action.
Time to move on people and try to deal with whats in front of us, you are only giving ammunition to certain individuals who enjoy to try to beat you with the "NO" stick.
It is also working the other way too and the "YES" voters get it in the neck.
I would hope we are all adults and could just stick to the subject at hand, going round in circles all the time is becoming boring.
We have enough on our plate going forward without the pettiness of some people.

Excellent post,well said.

This is what Dave and co have done they have divided the membership i can't seeing this wound heeling for a very long time if they ever do ,they done the same to BT workers,to be honest in the next few years i'd expect the union to weaken considerably.

[Nickvilla20]

Royal Mail have divided the workforce and have been doing for years now. You’ve got people on different terms, different contracts and now people on different pay structures.

The union have tried to mitigate the damage and they’ve had some success but the company were always playing the long game and in the end we were boxed into a corner with no other choice to accept a deal.

We’ve not made it easy on ourselves though all the people working for free, not doing the job properly and not taking their proper breaks have really hurt our cause. Problem is we aren’t and never have been a United workforce.

Blaming Dave Ward and the PEC just plays directly into the company’s hands. They won’t kill the union we will.

[guardianangel]

Royal Mail have divided the workforce and have been doing for years now. You’ve got people on different terms, different contracts and now people on different pay structures.

The union have tried to mitigate the damage and they’ve had some success but the company were always playing the long game and in the end we were boxed into a corner with no other choice to accept a deal.

We’ve not made it easy on ourselves though all the people working for free, not doing the job properly and not taking their proper breaks have really hurt our cause. Problem is we aren’t and never have been a United workforce.

Blaming Dave Ward and the PEC just plays directly into the company’s hands. They won’t kill the union we will.

I think we already have by voting Yes ,and before the backlash of hate its only my opinion

[Nickvilla20]

Royal Mail have divided the workforce and have been doing for years now. You’ve got people on different terms, different contracts and now people on different pay structures.

The union have tried to mitigate the damage and they’ve had some success but the company were always playing the long game and in the end we were boxed into a corner with no other choice to accept a deal.

We’ve not made it easy on ourselves though all the people working for free, not doing the job properly and not taking their proper breaks have really hurt our cause. Problem is we aren’t and never have been a United workforce.

Blaming Dave Ward and the PEC just plays directly into the company’s hands. They won’t kill the union we will.

I think we already have by voting Yes ,and before the backlash of hate its only my opinion

What choice did we have but to vote yes? I admire people wanting to fight on but voting no would have brought huge uncertainty to the mix and probably have made the company even more aggressive.

I personally think voting no would have done much more damage to the union than voting yes ever would.

[LouBarlow]

Royal Mail have divided the workforce and have been doing for years now. You’ve got people on different terms, different contracts and now people on different pay structures.

The union have tried to mitigate the damage and they’ve had some success but the company were always playing the long game and in the end we were boxed into a corner with no other choice to accept a deal.

We’ve not made it easy on ourselves though all the people working for free, not doing the job properly and not taking their proper breaks have really hurt our cause. Problem is we aren’t and never have been a United workforce.

Blaming Dave Ward and the PEC just plays directly into the company’s hands. They won’t kill the union we will.

I think we already have by voting Yes ,and before the backlash of hate its only my opinion

What choice did we have but to vote yes? I admire people wanting to fight on but voting no would have brought huge uncertainty to the mix and probably have made the company even more aggressive.

I personally think voting no would have done much more damage to the union than voting yes ever would.

Absolutely. Voting no would have completely removed any CWU involvement in our working environment. It was the best of two shitty options.

[Nickvilla20]

Royal Mail have divided the workforce and have been doing for years now. You’ve got people on different terms, different contracts and now people on different pay structures.

The union have tried to mitigate the damage and they’ve had some success but the company were always playing the long game and in the end we were boxed into a corner with no other choice to accept a deal.

We’ve not made it easy on ourselves though all the people working for free, not doing the job properly and not taking their proper breaks have really hurt our cause. Problem is we aren’t and never have been a United workforce.

Blaming Dave Ward and the PEC just plays directly into the company’s hands. They won’t kill the union we will.

I think we already have by voting Yes ,and before the backlash of hate its only my opinion

What choice did we have but to vote yes? I admire people wanting to fight on but voting no would have brought huge uncertainty to the mix and probably have made the company even more aggressive.

I personally think voting no would have done much more damage to the union than voting yes ever would.

Absolutely. Voting no would have completely removed any CWU involvement in our working environment. It was the best of two shitty options.

One positive of the deal is that it protected jobs and got us a decent pay rise. We need to realise now we are dealing with a completely different employer than we were a few years ago.

Without the USO been enforced the company can have walks not go out for days or never complete. I also thought that my job was safe because Royal Mail had to abide by the USO and keep the six day service but for the past few years they haven’t and with little consequence.

There will be more running down of the service in years to come and I doubt there is much us or the top brass of the union can do about it.

[guardianangel]

Another 3 left this week and old contracts gone ,they don't want to hang around to see the collapse ,another 3 less paying subs,Royal Mail are winning the battle give it a couple of years and we will see the Royal Mail flex app.

[bluempl]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

[stevejm]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

They are obviously going rogue.
Have the row back with them that there is no comment to deliver in the agreement.
Anything can slow you down unexpectedly.
Can't force you past your contracted hours.
People have commitments beyond work.
How they expect to retain any staff is beyond me. Leaving before they start in my area.
Crazy way to run a company.
These tactics and PDA micromanaging is just switching people off.
Used to get so much more out the workforce.
Think they are realising we are not so easily replaceable now. That should work in our favour.
Not the nice little number they powers that be think is it.
Reality check.

[SMS1969]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

Always under estimate so you are not rushing.It makes the job easier, if not you are forever up against the clock. Don’t take any crap from your manager,just take it easy.They try to wear you down,so you will have to stick to your guns.

[ashmeister77]

Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in

Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.

Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.

Don’t give them a single minute ffs