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Results,then what happens?

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portadown
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 17:19

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by portadown »

Don't no want anyone else thinks but Monday to Friday sounds gd to me and its up to new people if they want to sigh up to the new contracts there's that many leaving my local office so floaters will always have a job
portadown
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 17:19

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by portadown »

portadown wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:14
Don't no what anyone else thinks but Monday to Friday sounds gd to me and its up to new people if they want to sigh up to the new contracts there's that many leaving my local office so floaters will always have a job
sweepster70
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Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by sweepster70 »

portadown wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:14
Don't no want anyone else thinks but Monday to Friday sounds gd to me and its up to new people if they want to sigh up to the new contracts there's that many leaving my local office so floaters will always have a job
Monday to Friday is massive job losses. Let's not accept anything like this until the Government say it's OK and we have no choice.
world class male
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Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by world class male »

sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.

Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
my main issue with cwu'hq is that for 1 we are treat like mushrooms
i'd be flabbergasted if this deal got voted in, if this was polled like an election they would be predicting a landslide no vote, and i can bet my bottom dollar they haven't thought of "errr well what do you think we should do next" situation until we are actually in it,
by then we are getting more and more work thrust upon us, by the autumn my extra walking will be not far a full duty added
we all say "i'm quitting the union" said it myself a few times
perhaps if we all quit/rejoined for a week it would kick their arse, i'm fed up of their roadshow shindigs congratulating each others at the members expense, why not hold these at random places of work (or nearby in the open) for an hour at 3/4 pm? or will the tea & biscuits supply be too slow?
sweepster70
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Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by sweepster70 »

world class male wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:36
sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.

Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
my main issue with cwu'hq is that for 1 we are treat like mushrooms
i'd be flabbergasted if this deal got voted in, if this was polled like an election they would be predicting a landslide no vote, and i can bet my bottom dollar they haven't thought of "errr well what do you think we should do next" situation until we are actually in it,
by then we are getting more and more work thrust upon us, by the autumn my extra walking will be not far a full duty added
we all say "i'm quitting the union" said it myself a few times
perhaps if we all quit/rejoined for a week it would kick their arse, i'm fed up of their roadshow shindigs congratulating each others at the members expense, why not hold these at random places of work (or nearby in the open) for an hour at 3/4 pm? or will the tea & biscuits supply be too slow?

I personally think it will be voted in, but it will be close.
The top brass aren't slapping themselves on the back. They have said some of the things in the agreement are not good, but to look at it as a whole package.
I do believe this is the best deal they could get and is a lot better than what Royal Mail wanted initially, which was to impose everything and not to have any Union representation in the work place and compulsory redundancies.
The sick pay is s**t and the attendance procedure is worse. The Union need to look after people with long term problems who will fall foul of this.
I also don't like the idea of new starters on less pay and more hours.
The one thing we have is 115000 Union members. Imagine if the Union membership was only a third of the company, We'd be destroyed.
enskied
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Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by enskied »

sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.

Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
Because I am voting No.
You can vote anyway you want to.
Make the right choice .
sweepster70
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Joined: 24 Jul 2017, 23:16
Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by sweepster70 »

enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 23:07
sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.

Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
Because I am voting No.
You can vote anyway you want to.
Make the right choice .
That's not true. You are telling people to vote no.
If the vote is yes, will you accept it, even though you don't agree with it?
hans solo
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Joined: 06 Feb 2011, 18:08
Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by hans solo »

sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:59
world class male wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:36
sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.


Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
my main issue with cwu'hq is that for 1 we are treat like mushrooms
i'd be flabbergasted if this deal got voted in, if this was polled like an election they would be predicting a landslide no vote, and i can bet my bottom dollar they haven't thought of "errr well what do you think we should do next" situation until we are actually in it,
by then we are getting more and more work thrust upon us, by the autumn my extra walking will be not far a full duty added
we all say "i'm quitting the union" said it myself a few times
perhaps if we all quit/rejoined for a week it would kick their arse, i'm fed up of their roadshow shindigs congratulating each others at the members expense, why not hold these at random places of work (or nearby in the open) for an hour at 3/4 pm? or will the tea & biscuits supply be too slow?

I personally think it will be voted in, but it will be close.
The top brass aren't slapping themselves on the back. They have said some of the things in the agreement are not good, but to look at it as a whole package.
I do believe this is the best deal they could get and is a lot better than what Royal Mail wanted initially, which was to impose everything and not to have any Union representation in the work place and compulsory redundancies.
The sick pay is s**t and the attendance procedure is worse. The Union need to look after people with long term problems who will fall foul of this.
I also don't like the idea of new starters on less pay and more hours.
The one thing we have is 115000 Union members. Imagine if the Union membership was only a third of the company, We'd be destroyed.
Obviously don’t work in delivery
guardianangel
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Joined: 21 Feb 2020, 19:40
Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by guardianangel »

sweepster70 wrote:
15 May 2023, 21:59
enskied wrote:
15 May 2023, 20:14
Where, where are the Union in all of this ?

They have been missing for years in Do's.

This is across the board now... Missing on delivery, missing in processing.

Time to stand up Dave Ward or step down.

It's a No vote. Take it.

Why do you have to constantly tell people you're voting no?
The one's that say "I'm leaving the Union if it's a yes vote" How selfish is that?
If the majority vote yes, even if you don't agree with it, you have to accept it. That is part of being in a Union, is it not?
He probably never joined a union to get shafted with an under inflation pay rise and lose his terms and conditions, surely being part of a union is to protect pay and conditions is it not,i put it to you if people feel let down by the people they pay to protect all this they should have the right to withdraw their subscription should they not ?
milly
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 1246
Joined: 14 Sep 2007, 09:43

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by milly »

£1 Billion loss today, the vote No brigade will have you on the dole next year if industrial action continues.
77SAMPOST77
PARCELFORCE
Posts: 365
Joined: 20 Sep 2022, 15:49
Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

milly wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:12
£1 Billion loss today, the vote No brigade will have you on the dole next year if industrial action continues.
More pathetic scaremongering , grow up Milly .
milly
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 1246
Joined: 14 Sep 2007, 09:43

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by milly »

77SAMPOST77 wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:36
milly wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:12
£1 Billion loss today, the vote No brigade will have you on the dole next year if industrial action continues.
More pathetic scaremongering , grow up Milly .
"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality".
To quote Ayn Rand.

I'm afraid Royal Mail are in a bad way going into a recession if not a depression.
Keeping your job will be a major achievement over the next few years.
And please don't bore us by harking back to the fake pandemic profits that were funded by the taxpayer.
The only reason we made money was due to people sat at home spending their furlough money and those millions of letters sent out by the NHS.
X_hamster
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Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by X_hamster »

At least we'll still have a job......

Vote yes to the surrender document then.
77SAMPOST77
PARCELFORCE
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Gender: Male

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

milly wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:44
77SAMPOST77 wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:36
milly wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:12
£1 Billion loss today, the vote No brigade will have you on the dole next year if industrial action continues.
More pathetic scaremongering , grow up Milly .
"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality".
To quote Ayn Rand.

I'm afraid Royal Mail are in a bad way going into a recession if not a depression.
Keeping your job will be a major achievement over the next few years.
And please don't bore us by harking back to the fake pandemic profits that were funded by the taxpayer.
The only reason we made money was due to people sat at home spending their furlough money and those millions of letters sent out by the NHS.
They will soon get back into profit once they have scared people into voting yes for this pathetic slave labour gig economy agreement ,

They have Plenty of useless idiots about like doom and gloom Lou Barlow and silly Milly trying to get you to vote yes to this pathetic deal .
milly
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 1246
Joined: 14 Sep 2007, 09:43

Re: Results,then what happens?

Post by milly »

X_hamster wrote:
18 May 2023, 09:48
At least we'll still have a job......

Vote yes to the surrender document then.
Maybe a few of the extremists need to grow up and stop using such emotive language, the Union got us the best deal they could under the circumstances.