It would be madness to vote no, because there won't be an improved offer.
Accept the offer on the table and the £500 in our back pocket, and close ranks with the CWU
to fight another day.
The stark reality is that there is 700,000 immigrants lining up to take our jobs, if we vote no and crash the company again.
Common sense must prevail.
Wait, I thought the immigrants were all coming over here to never work a day and take all our benefits? Wish you lot would make your mind up
Immigrants who entered the country illegally are not allowed to work. .Many of them want to work but are stuck between people as yourself who are happy to put them on benefits forever and treat them as victims unable to work and others who say as there is no chance of them leaving because they are victim's then may as well let them work , especially as the vast majority of UK residents are bone idol .
The vast majority of Brits aren't bone idle they are pragmatic, work no longer pays enough compared with the various benefits you can receive.
One thing is strange about the illegal immigrants who come here is that they seem to only arrive in Countries with generous Welfare Systems.
Anyhow all the virtue signalling buffoons who think so long as illegal immigration doesn't affect them we ought to let as many as possible, will be rewarded with an extra few years work as State Pension age increases come in to pay for this lunacy.
The UK is bankrupt and our Royal Mail Pensions will and are being destroyed.
Immigrants contribute to the welfare system though through taxation.
Remind us what country you are from again?
The UK hasn't for many years taken in more tax than it has spent and this is called deficit spending, the Government borrows more money into existence this causes inflation.
The State is too big and the economy does not produce enough wealth to support itself.
The UK economy is a joke that builds nor produces anything of value, it is based on consumption through debt.
People in the UK think that they can get rich by buying and selling houses to each other, rather than building an industrial base.
The World finally woken up to the great con of the Western Fiat money system and no longer wish to sell valuable resources to Countries who steal from them using counterfeit currency.
You are going to get a lot poorer going forward and I doubt your virtue signalling is going to keep yourself warm and well fed in your dotage.
Why even quote me if you are going to ignore both of my points?
Fact - Immigrants pay more into the system than they take out. They contribute more to the system than people born here. Why bring them up at all?
Fact - You have admitted previously to not being born here. So it was OK for you to come here and make a life for yourself but not others? Do you not see the hypocrisy in this at all? You are wasted at Royal Mail. You should be running for Home Secretary.
I'm sorry you find this difficult to understand but it doesn't matter if you are an immigrant or not, collectively as a Country we spend Billions more every month than we take in tax.
Do you think having an open border is going to make us rich as all of these immigrants on minimum wage are going to pay for all the new infrastructure such housing,schools,roads and hospitals?
You do know that there is a huge difference between a legal immigrant who has completed all of the necessary documents and ones that have arrived here illegally?
I'm sorry you find this difficult to understand but it doesn't matter if you are an immigrant or not, collectively as a Country we spend Billions more every month than we take in tax.
Do you think having an open border is going to make us rich as all of these immigrants on minimum wage are going to pay for all the new infrastructure such housing,schools,roads and hospitals?
You do know that there is a huge difference between a legal immigrant who has completed all of the necessary documents and ones that have arrived here illegally?
I don’t find it difficult to understand at all. You still haven’t addressed either of my points, but at least you didn’t quote them this time and made yourself look a bit silly. I think I would have more respect for you if you just admitted to not liking ‘brown people’. Being an immigrant who hates other potential immigrants is the perfect hypocrisy.
I'm sorry you find this difficult to understand but it doesn't matter if you are an immigrant or not, collectively as a Country we spend Billions more every month than we take in tax.
Do you think having an open border is going to make us rich as all of these immigrants on minimum wage are going to pay for all the new infrastructure such housing,schools,roads and hospitals?
You do know that there is a huge difference between a legal immigrant who has completed all of the necessary documents and ones that have arrived here illegally?
I don’t find it difficult to understand at all. You still haven’t addressed either of my points, but at least you didn’t quote them this time and made yourself look a bit silly. I think I would have more respect for you if you just admitted to not liking ‘brown people’. Being an immigrant who hates other potential immigrants is the perfect hypocrisy.
Once again Lou if you could cease trying to imply that I'm racist with zero evidence to support your assertions.
The thing is all the "brown people" as you call them come from Countries that have fantastic resources that the West has been plundering from them with counterfeit currency and also charging them interest on it.
The West for many years has been sowing the seeds of chaos in many African Countries to destabilise them so they can buy resources up on the cheap, it's much cheaper than colonisation.
The UK is bankrupt and for once the odious Huw Pill from the equally odious Bank of England spoke the truth when he said that Britons should accept being poorer.
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People worry so much at the end of the day you have a start time and a finish time if you have to much work speak to your manager and leave some,yes he will say traffic is down and you should be able to get done,just all relax
Why even quote me if you are going to ignore both of my points?
Fact - Immigrants pay more into the system than they take out. They contribute more to the system than people born here. Why bring them up at all?
What evidence do you have to support your *fact*?? It's just your opinion otherwise Lou. Just like you had on the other thread.
Don't believe anything until you've done your homework and checked your facts
Awaiting for your blistering riposte.....
I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.
I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.
Carry on being an immigrant-hating immigrant milly. How does your living here reduce our tax burden again?
I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.
Carry on being an immigrant-hating immigrant milly. How does your living here reduce our tax burden again?
Which wealthy individuals and corporations write humongous cheques to Oxford University?
And do such people benefit from cheap Labour?
I doubt their research is that reliable and certainly won't disagree with their wealthy sponsors.
You seem to suffer from the logical fallacy called "argument from authority".
Do you know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration?
Do you know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration?
I do, yes. For someone with so many questions, you never seem to be able to answer any yourself. Where are you from?
Mind your own business, it's nothing to with you where I'm from and I'm certainly not going to divulge personal information on an Internet forum.
I am a Citizen of a Country that is located nearly a 1000 miles from the UK, that's all you need to know.
Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they in your own words contribute more to the system than people born here.
That is why I picked up on it
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On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they are contributing more to the system?
Because they are hateful scumbags and targeting minorities appeals to their base voters. Are you saying you have evidence that the world famous Oxford University doesn’t? Do please tell us.
I'm afraid poor old Lou can't differentiate between legal and illegal and seems to have a binary view of the World.
There are times when immigration is beneficial to a Country and times when it's not.
But in Lou's World of Wokeness nuance doesn't exist and immigration legal or otherwise is always a benefit according to him.
Lou is the perfect model citizen who questions nothing.
Why is this govt trying to control immigration and bring down the numbers if they are contributing more to the system?
I wasn't aware they were bringing down numbers judging by the Hotels that are choc full of them.
The people who love unlimited immigration are the large Corporations and the Government are only too willing to supply cheap workers in return for some nice well paid non executive roles I'm sure.
So long as the Government and their mates in the Media tell people like the Virtuous Lou that anyone who questions unlimited immigration is a racist to shut down debate, it makes useful idiots like Lou feel morally superior.
Now poor old Lou wonders why he can't get a decent payrise .
It really is sad how people can't see through the divide and rule tactics be it transgenderism, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Ukraine War, Covid or Immigration you can bet your bottom dollar some Billionaire is getting richer out of it.
I wish people like Lou who support whatever narrative is being pushed would take the time to ask "who benefits?" from the latest media propaganda.
It's just your opinion otherwise Lou. Just like you had on the other thread. 
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