how union could get us a better lump sum than 500 pounds

[aiden01]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.

Going by yours posts in the (do you agree with deal thread) i am 100% certain you were saying YES.

[Acca Dacca]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.

You did to be fair

I remember being surprised

And you kept ranting for those voting NO to tell us what they would do instead

[aiden01]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.

You did to be fair

I remember being surprised

And you kept ranting for those voting NO to tell us what they would do instead

Glad someone else seen it too.

[TopperGas]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

I doubt they can legally just change your working hours or enforce the seasonal variation and also remove your entitlement to sick pay. If they can it's pointless ever been given a contract of employment.

[Acca Dacca]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

They absolutely cannot force you to work more than your contracted hours unpaid this winter on the promise of getting the time back next summer without an agreement

[k979aaa]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.

Going by yours posts in the (do you agree with deal thread) i am 100% certain you were saying YES.

Go f**k yourself ad1 and hate the agreement hence my new post!

[aiden01]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.

Going by yours posts in the (do you agree with deal thread) i am 100% certain you were saying YES.

Go f**k yourself ad1 and hate the agreement hence my new post!

Not very nice that .so you are now admitting you were a yes voter but are now a no voter thats all you had to explain.nice that i had my facts right tho.Not going to report your post but hope one of the mods pick up on it.

[LouBarlow]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

I doubt they can legally just change your working hours or enforce the seasonal variation and also remove your entitlement to sick pay. If they can it's pointless ever been given a contract of employment.

None of these things are in my contract. Changes to start times and sick pay etc have always been part of deals and agreements drawn up by the union and employer. Agreements that were torn up by strike action.

[Acca Dacca]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

I doubt they can legally just change your working hours or enforce the seasonal variation and also remove your entitlement to sick pay. If they can it's pointless ever been given a contract of employment.

None of these things are in my contract. Changes to start times and sick pay etc have always been part of deals and agreements drawn up by the union and employer. Agreements that were torn up by strike action.

And whats your answer to my reply?

[k979aaa]

They can change your start time every office has a different time it is not mandated by a law!

[TopperGas]

They can change your start time every office has a different time it is not mandated by a law!

They only change it by a reasonable amount, pretty certain an employer could suddenly tell their staff they are working nights. If they don't need our agreement why include in the pay rise talks rather than just tell us they are changing our start times. I'm contracted to work a set number of hours a week I'm pretty certain they can't legally tell me to work 2 hours longer in the winter w/o my prior agreement.

[k979aaa]

They can change your start time every office has a different time it is not mandated by a law!

They only change it by a reasonable amount, pretty certain an employer could suddenly tell their staff they are working nights. If they don't need our agreement why include in the pay rise talks rather than just tell us they are changing our start times. I'm contracted to work a set number of hours a week I'm pretty certain they can't legally tell me to work 2 hours longer in the winter w/o my prior agreement.

Well your wrong on both aspects your employer can do what the bloody well like and a variation of hour was in the 2009 agreement is so. Are they suggesting nights bwt

[k979aaa]

The rep in my office said this morning there may well be a bigger lump sum offer coming up to seal the deal so to speak .

Whether or not it's true who knows.

Here we go, cue for more wildfire rumours spreading, even MW got in on the act dangling a carrot on another thread.
If it's genuine this should come as an official announcement from RM or CWU (or jointly)!:

If they give us the 6 percent backdated to april and 1500 one off payment followed by 2 percent it would just about sway a yes from me

Legend you never know.

Martin Walsh this morning made a similar hint on here... It was also briefly mentioned at the Area reps meeting in Birmingham last week...

Rep in our office hinted that Dave and co may have something up their sleeve re extra money few days ago. Who knows

Hope he has small arms then!

[LouBarlow]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

I doubt they can legally just change your working hours or enforce the seasonal variation and also remove your entitlement to sick pay. If they can it's pointless ever been given a contract of employment.

None of these things are in my contract. Changes to start times and sick pay etc have always been part of deals and agreements drawn up by the union and employer. Agreements that were torn up by strike action.

And whats your answer to my reply?

I didn’t see a question in there, however, my original contract lists how many hours I would be required to work a week, which has likewise been changed since I started, via agreements. We currently work 37 right? So that is a change from my original contract, so I’m not sure how relevant they are. People seem to think their original contracts are some kind of weighty tome, but they are very basic and certainly subject to change. That is why over the years, start times and finish times have changed massively.

[Acca Dacca]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

I doubt they can legally just change your working hours or enforce the seasonal variation and also remove your entitlement to sick pay. If they can it's pointless ever been given a contract of employment.

None of these things are in my contract. Changes to start times and sick pay etc have always been part of deals and agreements drawn up by the union and employer. Agreements that were torn up by strike action.

And whats your answer to my reply?

I didn’t see a question in there, however, my original contract lists how many hours I would be required to work a week, which has likewise been changed since I started, via agreements. We currently work 37 right? So that is a change from my original contract, so I’m not sure how relevant they are. People seem to think their original contracts are some kind of weighty tome, but they are very basic and certainly subject to change. That is why over the years, start times and finish times have changed massively.

Changed by agreement being the key words

You said they can bring everything they want in without agreement