how union could get us a better lump sum than 500 pounds

[aiden01]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

Suspect that a lot of colleagues will not want to accept the agreement but will not
want to throw the baby out with the bathwater either by voting no (in order to keep a job with
worse T&C's etc.) and in the end will not vote either way at all! IMHO the number of votes
to achieve a majority either way will be a lot lower than that required for the IA ballots.

Will be nowhere near it.

What will be nowhere near what?

The number of votes needed for a majority was agreeing with you.

[LouBarlow]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

There is no reason to vote yes , It is a awful deal , A complete surrender of terms and conditions , It is giving royal mail a green to force in any changes they want because they know how weak we are if we vote yes .

The CWU have been a massive failure and should not be asking us to accept this sell out deal .

They will have even more of a green light if there is no agreement.

That is incorrect , Bullies only stop when you fight back Lou & aiden you can give into these bullies if you want but I am voting no and fighting back .

You aren’t fighting back against RM though, you are fighting against the union trying to secure an agreement that will minimise the impact on your working life and reward you with a pay rise. Voting no only harms yourself, not RM. With no agreement in place they carry on regardless and impose change without any resistance.

A no vote is fighting back against royal mail ,

It shows them we are not weak and will not be bullied ,

It also tells the union they need to do better than this pathetic sell out deal .

You seem to think that voting no will somehow make both sides sit down and thrash out a new deal. It won’t happen because both sides have reached the point where they are satisfied that there is nowhere else for them to go. If the vote comes back as a no, despite both sides saying that this is as good as we are going to get, what do you picture happening? More strikes aren’t happening, because there is nothing to gain from them. The union have admitted this by agreeing to this agreement. There will be no more talks as both sides have already reached a compromise. There is nowhere for them to go.

Voting no hurts you alone and will result in worse working conditions and no pay rise.

Utter nonsense and complete speculation again by you ,

You do not know whats going to happen but pretend you do as always ,

Massive no from me to this pathetic deal .

It isn’t speculation at all. It is a rudimentary understanding of how voting for a deal endorsed by both sides works. If there was any more ground to be made, why do you think the CWU have agreed to this deal? Nobody who is intent on voting against this deal has ever answered this question, yet apparently I am the one who is speculating, despite repeatedly offering an admittedly primitive understanding of what compromise entails and why shitting on this deal is the worst of two bad options.

[77SAMPOST77]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

There is no reason to vote yes , It is a awful deal , A complete surrender of terms and conditions , It is giving royal mail a green to force in any changes they want because they know how weak we are if we vote yes .

The CWU have been a massive failure and should not be asking us to accept this sell out deal .

They will have even more of a green light if there is no agreement.

That is incorrect , Bullies only stop when you fight back Lou & aiden you can give into these bullies if you want but I am voting no and fighting back .

You aren’t fighting back against RM though, you are fighting against the union trying to secure an agreement that will minimise the impact on your working life and reward you with a pay rise. Voting no only harms yourself, not RM. With no agreement in place they carry on regardless and impose change without any resistance.

A no vote is fighting back against royal mail ,

It shows them we are not weak and will not be bullied ,

It also tells the union they need to do better than this pathetic sell out deal .

You seem to think that voting no will somehow make both sides sit down and thrash out a new deal. It won’t happen because both sides have reached the point where they are satisfied that there is nowhere else for them to go. If the vote comes back as a no, despite both sides saying that this is as good as we are going to get, what do you picture happening? More strikes aren’t happening, because there is nothing to gain from them. The union have admitted this by agreeing to this agreement. There will be no more talks as both sides have already reached a compromise. There is nowhere for them to go.

Voting no hurts you alone and will result in worse working conditions and no pay rise.

Utter nonsense and complete speculation again by you ,

You do not know whats going to happen but pretend you do as always ,

Massive no from me to this pathetic deal .

It isn’t speculation at all. It is a rudimentary understanding of how voting for a deal endorsed by both sides works. If there was any more ground to be made, why do you think the CWU have agreed to this deal? Nobody who is intent on voting against this deal has ever answered this question, yet apparently I am the one who is speculating, despite repeatedly offering an admittedly primitive understanding of what compromise entails and why shitting on this deal is the worst of two bad options.

The answer to the question of why the CWU is agreeing to this deal is because they have sold us out to protect there highly paid jobs ,
This as been mentioned on many of the threads have you not been paying attention .

Most of your posts are sheer speculation and are not worthy of any merit so put your crystal ball away because you do not know whats going to happen .

[clashcityrocker]

The answer to the question of why the CWU is agreeing to this deal is because they have sold us out to protect there highly paid jobs ,
This as been mentioned on many of the threads have you not been paying attention .

It has been alleged but there is no proof it is true.
And look! I have managed to reply without quoting half a page of irrelevance.

[k979aaa]

Well at least you get a vote on it some on here despise us for having a relevant opinion while they collect their bonuses earned by you all and tell you how to get a better deal for themselves!

[LouBarlow]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

There is no reason to vote yes , It is a awful deal , A complete surrender of terms and conditions , It is giving royal mail a green to force in any changes they want because they know how weak we are if we vote yes .

The CWU have been a massive failure and should not be asking us to accept this sell out deal .

They will have even more of a green light if there is no agreement.

That is incorrect , Bullies only stop when you fight back Lou & aiden you can give into these bullies if you want but I am voting no and fighting back .

You aren’t fighting back against RM though, you are fighting against the union trying to secure an agreement that will minimise the impact on your working life and reward you with a pay rise. Voting no only harms yourself, not RM. With no agreement in place they carry on regardless and impose change without any resistance.

A no vote is fighting back against royal mail ,

It shows them we are not weak and will not be bullied ,

It also tells the union they need to do better than this pathetic sell out deal .

You seem to think that voting no will somehow make both sides sit down and thrash out a new deal. It won’t happen because both sides have reached the point where they are satisfied that there is nowhere else for them to go. If the vote comes back as a no, despite both sides saying that this is as good as we are going to get, what do you picture happening? More strikes aren’t happening, because there is nothing to gain from them. The union have admitted this by agreeing to this agreement. There will be no more talks as both sides have already reached a compromise. There is nowhere for them to go.

Voting no hurts you alone and will result in worse working conditions and no pay rise.

Utter nonsense and complete speculation again by you ,

You do not know whats going to happen but pretend you do as always ,

Massive no from me to this pathetic deal .

It isn’t speculation at all. It is a rudimentary understanding of how voting for a deal endorsed by both sides works. If there was any more ground to be made, why do you think the CWU have agreed to this deal? Nobody who is intent on voting against this deal has ever answered this question, yet apparently I am the one who is speculating, despite repeatedly offering an admittedly primitive understanding of what compromise entails and why shitting on this deal is the worst of two bad options.

The answer to the question of why the CWU is agreeing to this deal is because they have sold us out to protect there highly paid jobs ,
This as been mentioned on many of the threads have you not been paying attention .

Most of your posts are sheer speculation and are not worthy of any merit so put your crystal ball away because you do not know whats going to happen .

They have agreed a deal to save your job! Don’t worry about what they get out of it. You can call it speculation, but if two sides of an argument tell me something is true, I kind of have to believe them.

Also apologies to clash for quoting half a page again but it is a flaw of this forum and I really can’t be arsed to manually remove everything else.

[TopperGas]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

There is no reason to vote yes , It is a awful deal , A complete surrender of terms and conditions , It is giving royal mail a green to force in any changes they want because they know how weak we are if we vote yes .

The CWU have been a massive failure and should not be asking us to accept this sell out deal .

They will have even more of a green light if there is no agreement.

That is incorrect , Bullies only stop when you fight back Lou & aiden you can give into these bullies if you want but I am voting no and fighting back .

You aren’t fighting back against RM though, you are fighting against the union trying to secure an agreement that will minimise the impact on your working life and reward you with a pay rise. Voting no only harms yourself, not RM. With no agreement in place they carry on regardless and impose change without any resistance.

A no vote is fighting back against royal mail ,

It shows them we are not weak and will not be bullied ,

It also tells the union they need to do better than this pathetic sell out deal .

You seem to think that voting no will somehow make both sides sit down and thrash out a new deal. It won’t happen because both sides have reached the point where they are satisfied that there is nowhere else for them to go. If the vote comes back as a no, despite both sides saying that this is as good as we are going to get, what do you picture happening? More strikes aren’t happening, because there is nothing to gain from them. The union have admitted this by agreeing to this agreement. There will be no more talks as both sides have already reached a compromise. There is nowhere for them to go.

Voting no hurts you alone and will result in worse working conditions and no pay rise.

Utter nonsense and complete speculation again by you ,

You do not know whats going to happen but pretend you do as always ,

Massive no from me to this pathetic deal .

It isn’t speculation at all. It is a rudimentary understanding of how voting for a deal endorsed by both sides works. If there was any more ground to be made, why do you think the CWU have agreed to this deal? Nobody who is intent on voting against this deal has ever answered this question, yet apparently I am the one who is speculating, despite repeatedly offering an admittedly primitive understanding of what compromise entails and why shitting on this deal is the worst of two bad options.

The answer to the question of why the CWU is agreeing to this deal is because they have sold us out to protect there highly paid jobs ,
This as been mentioned on many of the threads have you not been paying attention .

Most of your posts are sheer speculation and are not worthy of any merit so put your crystal ball away because you do not know whats going to happen .

But aren't you just spreading wild rumours I can't the CWU losing their highly paid jobs, as whatever happens the CWU will exist to some degree within RM but if it is about saving their jobs are they really going to risk losing them if we do vote no by going back and asking for a better deal? Nobody has really suggested what will happen if we vote no but whatever RM do you can imagine, postie will suffer for voting no.

[LouBarlow]

Now there’s suddenly more dosh,that carrot better be close to what we should’ve got for a back dated rise,needs to around 2k mark not poxy £500.
If not don’t bother insulting us MW
Would still be no From everyone I speak to in my office anyway

An you honestly think they will all vote no??

Yes why not , There are clever people , They know a awful sell out deal when the see it .

Did'nt say they were not clever but cannot an will not believe they will all vote no

There is no reason to vote yes , It is a awful deal , A complete surrender of terms and conditions , It is giving royal mail a green to force in any changes they want because they know how weak we are if we vote yes .

The CWU have been a massive failure and should not be asking us to accept this sell out deal .

They will have even more of a green light if there is no agreement.

That is incorrect , Bullies only stop when you fight back Lou & aiden you can give into these bullies if you want but I am voting no and fighting back .

You aren’t fighting back against RM though, you are fighting against the union trying to secure an agreement that will minimise the impact on your working life and reward you with a pay rise. Voting no only harms yourself, not RM. With no agreement in place they carry on regardless and impose change without any resistance.

A no vote is fighting back against royal mail ,

It shows them we are not weak and will not be bullied ,

It also tells the union they need to do better than this pathetic sell out deal .

You seem to think that voting no will somehow make both sides sit down and thrash out a new deal. It won’t happen because both sides have reached the point where they are satisfied that there is nowhere else for them to go. If the vote comes back as a no, despite both sides saying that this is as good as we are going to get, what do you picture happening? More strikes aren’t happening, because there is nothing to gain from them. The union have admitted this by agreeing to this agreement. There will be no more talks as both sides have already reached a compromise. There is nowhere for them to go.

Voting no hurts you alone and will result in worse working conditions and no pay rise.

Utter nonsense and complete speculation again by you ,

You do not know whats going to happen but pretend you do as always ,

Massive no from me to this pathetic deal .

It isn’t speculation at all. It is a rudimentary understanding of how voting for a deal endorsed by both sides works. If there was any more ground to be made, why do you think the CWU have agreed to this deal? Nobody who is intent on voting against this deal has ever answered this question, yet apparently I am the one who is speculating, despite repeatedly offering an admittedly primitive understanding of what compromise entails and why shitting on this deal is the worst of two bad options.

The answer to the question of why the CWU is agreeing to this deal is because they have sold us out to protect there highly paid jobs ,
This as been mentioned on many of the threads have you not been paying attention .

Most of your posts are sheer speculation and are not worthy of any merit so put your crystal ball away because you do not know whats going to happen .

But aren't you just spreading wild rumours I can't the CWU losing their highly paid jobs, as whatever happens the CWU will exist to some degree within RM but if it is about saving their jobs are they really going to risk losing them if we do vote no by going back and asking for a better deal? Nobody has really suggested what will happen if we vote no but whatever RM do you can imagine, postie will suffer for voting no.

‘Postie’ will suffer more if he or she votes no, as they will turn down a lump sum, a wage rise, and have all the changes brought in anyway, and then more so. This isn’t a rumour. It is what happens in a workplace that has no union involvement, which is what will happen if there is no deal.

[k979aaa]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

[LouBarlow]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

I’m saying, in the result of a no vote, there will be no agreement. I would have thought this was obvious no? We are voting on whether to accept these ‘bungs’ wage increases and changes to the T&Cs. If we vote no and this proposal is abandoned, we are guaranteed nothing, and change will be imposed regardless. Why would you vote for that instead of more money and union involvement and compliance to an agreement going forward?

[TopperGas]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

[dvbuk55]

Does anyone know how many delivery postmen there are now as opposed to mail centre staff and of the delivery postmen how many are part time.

[aiden01]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

[LouBarlow]

I doubt they can legally bring in all the changes without our agreement, possibly they could go down the fire and rehire route but I doubt even RM would try that now.

Of course they can. I can’t speak for anyone else with more seniority than my 20 years, but I don’t see anything in my contract preventing them bringing in everything in this agreement and more.

[k979aaa]

Sorry Lou you lost me in a sea of quotes but are you saying it will be imposed without paying for it in wages bungs or ectara you must live in cloud cuckoo land if they impose the deal and not pay us all as per terms of the agreement!

Were you not saying yes to this agreement not too long ago???

I never said yes to this agreement so get your facts right.