Worth reviewing Royal Mails original proposals

[claretandblue]

Martin,
Are we going to get a list of each offices finish times before the vote as was promised.
And also please answer the other post that asked are the finish times inclusive of the 24 minutes seasonal and any flex.

The 24 minutes is added onto the beginning of your duty, they have said that every office will know their start and finish times before voting.

[Neverwasadoor]

Martin,
Are we going to get a list of each offices finish times before the vote as was promised.
And also please answer the other post that asked are the finish times inclusive of the 24 minutes seasonal and any flex.

The 24 minutes is added onto the beginning of your duty, they have said that every office will know their start and finish times before voting.

I believe that it's at the start for the first year. I just want to make sure that the finish time we get told is the maximum finish time.

[grchpo]

Hi Martin
If I get lucky and my office is one of the early finish times of say 3pm, even that is still too late for the school run. However, if I could take my break at the end of my shift and sign out at the start instead of having to sign out at the end of the break, I could still pick the kids up. Has that been discussed?

So what time do you finish at the moment? My finish time is not before 15.10 on 3 days a week, so how do you manage earlier finishes

[RTP]

Martin,
Are we going to get a list of each offices finish times before the vote as was promised.
And also please answer the other post that asked are the finish times inclusive of the 24 minutes seasonal and any flex.

Think Martin said we were getting the times this week.......apparently.

[scotchy1962]

You really are giving that piece of Poo a good polishing Martin, they have obviously tasked you personally with trying to sell this to us on this forum.
I cant and wont change my mind on this agreement, its basically everything they wanted for next to nothing, and no matter how you try to make it sound i cant agree.
If we are expected after all we have been through for the last 3yrs, between pandemics and bitter disputes, to just forget the record profits and the nightmare revisions,executive action, the bullying and harassment, plus the smug bake of the CEO and his cronies bombarding us with propaganda, to just accept more of the same from our union in a attempt to get us to vote yes.
I respect myself more and consider myself and my fellow posties worth more than what you are peddling.
So its a NO from me.
I have to say that i still find it hard to see how the union can justify what they are doing to the members and i think in the long run it might just come back and bite you. But then what do i know i am but a humble postie.

[Weetrogg2]

You really are giving that piece of Poo a good polishing Martin, they have obviously tasked you personally with trying to sell this to us on this forum.
I cant and wont change my mind on this agreement, its basically everything they wanted for next to nothing, and no matter how you try to make it sound i cant agree.
If we are expected after all we have been through for the last 3yrs, between pandemics and bitter disputes, to just forget the record profits and the nightmare revisions,executive action, the bullying and harassment, plus the smug bake of the CEO and his cronies bombarding us with propaganda, to just accept more of the same from our union in a attempt to get us to vote yes.
I respect myself more and consider myself and my fellow posties worth more than what you are peddling.
So its a NO from me.
I have to say that i still find it hard to see how the union can justify what they are doing to the members and i think in the long run it might just come back and bite you. But then what do i know i am but a humble postie.

We’ll said

[pieoftheday]

Re finish times, is it a 4.30 finish in the summer or winter?

Does the 4.30 finish include the 30 mins flex they're looking for?

Does the 4.30 finish include the 24 minutes a day they're making us work for no reward this winter?

In short you can't tell us what time we're going to be finishing because it's all dependant on distribution and network, would that be correct?

If you know what time each office will finish why would you keep that information to yourselves?

Finally how long before RM come back for even later starts and finishes?

Are they even finish times or last letter times

[yellowbelly]

For example out of 1250 Delivery units only 109 units will have a finishing time after 16.00. 28% of units will be before 14.59 , 63% before 15.30, 93% before 16.00 and this has been modelled on the peak day of Wednesday. So this rumour everyone is going to finish at 16.30 is wrong.

I have done 3 Branch local reps meetings this week and all of them are now backing the agreement once explained to their members.

I bet our SPDO's (finish time already 1630) or any of the other 109 units won't see you or the area rep where forecast finish
time is 1600 or later.

[enskied]

All I know is that I am under attack. If I don't fight I'm already beaten.

So I fight, I don't know what the outcome will be. But I have lost already if I vote yes and more beatings to and soon, we are already almost half way through 2023, these agreements have a short shelf life.

Vote NO.

[carlosevenos]

The change we need 200622.pdf

Yeh the union reversed some of this. But much of this was off the table months ago.

Also the union promised a no strings, inflation based pay rise. They didn't deliver that, or get close.

[worktotime]

Toon the check off threat happens in every dispute. The union pays a heathy sum to Royal Mail to deduct union subs. Anyone who thinks that is a reason the union arrived at an agreement is being disingenuous.

Let’s be clear that Royal Mail wanted to smash the union and workforce and did not want an agreement for months.

The board however overruled the CEO and wanted an agreement and that is what has been achieved.

Anyone who believes that no change is an option is wrong the company will be finished without change.

Now in terms of flogging a dead horse I have contributed to this sites for longer than most and I have seen similar opposition to new agreements whether that was Pay and Mod , BT 2010 , Agenda for Growth , 4 Pillars or even the Pathway for change where people thought Sunday working was compulsory. They all were supported by the vast majority.

The engagement plan to explain this agreement not individuals interpretations is important.

For example out of 1250 Delivery units only 109 units will have a finishing time after 16.00. 28% of units will be before 14.59 , 63% before 15.30, 93% before 16.00 and this has been modelled on the peak day of Wednesday. So this rumour everyone is going to finish at 16.30 is wrong.

I have done 3 Branch local reps meetings this week and all of them are now backing the agreement once explained to their members.

Martin you keep going on about these times please explain to me our delivery was 5-22 it is now 6-22 because of the extra 1 hour added by there E/A revisions which the cwu have done nothing about by the way , so on the 5-22 span our last letter is usually 15-15 then we have to travel back to office unload and now do all the scanning and labelling the returned parcel so we actually finish going out the door at 15.45 which is 1 hour over our finish time , so even just starting 1 hour later would push our finish time to 16-45 and thats without the 1 hour extra which has been added ( which we dont touch by the way ) but if we did the extra finish time would be 17-45 so is that right ? , so there must be a difference in the real world compared to the world your looking at , and well done for convincing 3 branches to vote for the deal , but i can tell you theres not one person voting yes in our orrifice .

[Hyrrokkin]

You really are giving that piece of Poo a good polishing Martin, they have obviously tasked you personally with trying to sell this to us on this forum.
I cant and wont change my mind on this agreement, its basically everything they wanted for next to nothing, and no matter how you try to make it sound i cant agree.
If we are expected after all we have been through for the last 3yrs, between pandemics and bitter disputes, to just forget the record profits and the nightmare revisions,executive action, the bullying and harassment, plus the smug bake of the CEO and his cronies bombarding us with propaganda, to just accept more of the same from our union in a attempt to get us to vote yes.
I respect myself more and consider myself and my fellow posties worth more than what you are peddling.
So its a NO from me.
I have to say that i still find it hard to see how the union can justify what they are doing to the members and i think in the long run it might just come back and bite you. But then what do i know i am but a humble postie.

100%
Martin you have flogged this dead horse so much there's nothing left for the vulture's to eat
Union are now nothing more than RM's mouthpiece - CWU have taken their 30 pieces of silver - job done
It is a disgraceful agreement and CWU know it.
No amount of scaremongering whitewash propoganda can ever change it

[moonjaguar]

Hi Martin
If I get lucky and my office is one of the early finish times of say 3pm, even that is still too late for the school run. However, if I could take my break at the end of my shift and sign out at the start instead of having to sign out at the end of the break, I could still pick the kids up. Has that been discussed?

So what time do you finish at the moment? My finish time is not before 15.10 on 3 days a week, so how do you manage earlier finishes

Part timers start at 7.30-8am, latest finish 2pm. Perfect for the school pick up.

[dazzler123]

Aside whether you get 500/1000 quid in your pocket (which will last about a month), if a yes vote crawls over the line is this considered a victory considering what a days work looks like now? Offices are now bombsites, the farcial auto redlivery of parcels is like the best way to throw a spanner into efficiency of a delivery worker. it has to be sabotage, you cant be this stupid by accident

[SpacePhoenix]

However, if I could take my break at the end of my shift and sign out at the start instead of having to sign out at the end of the break, I could still pick the kids up. Has that been discussed?

It'll show up on the system as you potentially having capacity for more work as far as higher up would be concerned they'd see you finishing early everyday