Worth reviewing Royal Mails original proposals

[Martin Walsh]

The change we need 200622.pdf

[toonshola]

Worth remembering this agreement came about predominantly because Royal Mail agreed to release time for higher reps in cushy positions and that they would continue to take sub’s directly from wages then you sold us out. Care to address this? You have been asked several times on here and have dodged the question.

[seaside]

Still undecided on how I will vote.. But would like to know if the union are doing anything about the revisions that are impossible to do, also are they looking into how long walks are now 5 hours on average, day after day in all weathers, will take it out of most posties in the end. They could try and come up with part-time deliveries for those that want it, ie 3 hours delivery span.so you would get paid 2 hours less a day. 40 year's in the job and now struggling to complete these walks.

[Burghboy]

The joint plan is to increase delivery times, that’s what the CWU want us to sign up to by accepting this deal, reduce indoor time by 25-30 mins, 24 mins extra in the winter plus 30 mins flex. That takes you close to a 6 hour delivery some days if you are on 4.5 hour delivery now.

[77SAMPOST77]

You are still flogging a dead horse Martin and sounding more desperate every time you post .

Will you resort to begging us to vote yes next ?

still a no from me .

[Martin Walsh]

Toon the check off threat happens in every dispute. The union pays a heathy sum to Royal Mail to deduct union subs. Anyone who thinks that is a reason the union arrived at an agreement is being disingenuous.

Let’s be clear that Royal Mail wanted to smash the union and workforce and did not want an agreement for months.

The board however overruled the CEO and wanted an agreement and that is what has been achieved.

Anyone who believes that no change is an option is wrong the company will be finished without change.

Now in terms of flogging a dead horse I have contributed to this sites for longer than most and I have seen similar opposition to new agreements whether that was Pay and Mod , BT 2010 , Agenda for Growth , 4 Pillars or even the Pathway for change where people thought Sunday working was compulsory. They all were supported by the vast majority.

The engagement plan to explain this agreement not individuals interpretations is important.

For example out of 1250 Delivery units only 109 units will have a finishing time after 16.00. 28% of units will be before 14.59 , 63% before 15.30, 93% before 16.00 and this has been modelled on the peak day of Wednesday. So this rumour everyone is going to finish at 16.30 is wrong.

I have done 3 Branch local reps meetings this week and all of them are now backing the agreement once explained to their members.

[Martin Walsh]

Toon the check off threat happens in every dispute. The union pays a heathy sum to Royal Mail to deduct union subs. Anyone who thinks that is a reason the union arrived at an agreement is being disingenuous.

Let’s be clear that Royal Mail wanted to smash the union and workforce and did not want an agreement for months.

The board however overruled the CEO and wanted an agreement and that is what has been achieved.

Anyone who believes that no change is an option is wrong the company will be finished without change.

Now in terms of flogging a dead horse I have contributed to this sites for longer than most and I have seen similar opposition to new agreements whether that was Pay and Mod , BT 2010 , Agenda for Growth , 4 Pillars or even the Pathway for change where people thought Sunday working was compulsory. They all were supported by the vast majority.

The engagement plan to explain this agreement not individuals interpretations is important.

For example out of 1250 Delivery units only 109 units will have a finishing time after 16.00. 28% of units will be before 14.59 , 63% before 15.30, 93% before 16.00 and this has been modelled on the peak day of Wednesday. So this rumour everyone is going to finish at 16.30 is wrong.

I have done 3 Branch local reps meetings this week and all of them are now backing the agreement once explained to their members.

[Acca Dacca]

Their original “proposals” are like when TK Maxx put a made up RRP of £300 on a bit of still overpriced tat so when you see the reduction you think you’ve got a bargain

[77SAMPOST77]

Toon the check off threat happens in every dispute. The union pays a heathy sum to Royal Mail to deduct union subs. Anyone who thinks that is a reason the union arrived at an agreement is being disingenuous.

Let’s be clear that Royal Mail wanted to smash the union and workforce and did not want an agreement for months.

The board however overruled the CEO and wanted an agreement and that is what has been achieved.

Anyone who believes that no change is an option is wrong the company will be finished without change.

Now in terms of flogging a dead horse I have contributed to this sites for longer than most and I have seen similar opposition to new agreements whether that was Pay and Mod , BT 2010 , Agenda for Growth , 4 Pillars or even the Pathway for change where people thought Sunday working was compulsory. They all were supported by the vast majority.

The engagement plan to explain this agreement not individuals interpretations is important.

For example out of 1250 Delivery units only 109 units will have a finishing time after 16.00. 28% of units will be before 14.59 , 63% before 15.30, 93% before 16.00 and this has been modelled on the peak day of Wednesday. So this rumour everyone is going to finish at 16.30 is wrong.

I have done 3 Branch local reps meetings this week and all of them are now backing the agreement once explained to their members.

Well you will not have spoken to our rep as he was sacked months ago along with many others ,

Most of us accept there needs to be change but what about the pathetic pay rise of 2% for 2022 6% for 2023 and then a measly 2% for 2024 .

Still voting no .

[cobrakai]

I can’t recall the check off threat ever been mentioned by the company in 25 years.

The original pathway to change was refused too I seem to recollect. I won’t get in an argument with you as I’m not in the no camp however you can’t just pick and choose facts that don’t pass even very simple scrutiny.

[Wolf91]

My round is 5 hours 24 mins long before revision.

Guess what? They added another hour onto it.

what’s going on in Royal Mail currently is shocking.

[mjd24]

My round is 5 hours 24 mins long before revision.

Guess what? They added another hour onto it.

what’s going on in Royal Mail currently is shocking.

Same finish time though?

[Martin Walsh]

Sam post I have spoke and represented lots of reps and members who have been unfairly dismissed or suspended as a result of the dispute and they know 100% they stand there best chance of getting justice by annex 7 and the independent review into their case by a King’s Counsel lawyer.

No agreement means they either face an internal appeal if they are a member or a NAP if their rep.

[seaside]

Still undecided on how I will vote.. But would like to know if the union are doing anything about the revisions that are impossible to do, also are they looking into how long walks are now 5 hours on average, day after day in all weathers, will take it out of most posties in the end. They could try and come up with part-time deliveries for those that want it, ie 3 hours delivery span.so you would get paid 2 hours less a day. 40 year's in the job and now struggling to complete these walks.

So martin Walsh, has been on twice since I posted this and not a mention if they are trying to do anything to help.

[Rumple]

Martin, do you remember “win the ballot win the dispute!”
We won the ballot, would you say we won the dispute?