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Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

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Wolf91
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Wolf91 »

heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 21:47
Wolf91 wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 21:43
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:27
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 11:33
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 10:07
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 09:59
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 08:14
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level
well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.
I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote
But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.
You’re all over the place, I’m in the union because it’s the done thing I’m just saying it generally been a massive let down though. If you’re in the right there should be no issue defending yourself is my other main point. The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway
There are some points you are making here I am agreeing with. The union have not painted themselves in a good light for quite some time…
However…
God forbid, you or I were involved in a RTC that resulted in a fatality or something of the sort, I would want decent lawyers representing my case.
That kind of stuff gets rather expensive.
For that reason alone it is worth staying in.
Again and touch wood, you mean a blameworthy RTC
Not necessarily - if you went to court & were to blame or not about a fatality (touch wood); you would still want a good lawyer behind you. Which will be expensive.

That’s just one example.

There are others in the workplace in which they can protect you.

Don’t get me wrong though I’m super pissed off with the union and will be voting NO.
What I’m saying is there are things to consider before cancelling subs.
Bob Cooney
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Bob Cooney »

Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
Your the gobshite they had moved from 4 abcences to 3 abcences to trigger the AR1 amongst a whole host of other changes that make it easier to fire members
Boltonian-White
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Boltonian-White »

Bob Cooney wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 10:02
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
Your the gobshite they had moved from 4 abcences to 3 abcences to trigger the AR1 amongst a whole host of other changes that make it easier to fire members
Oh Bob! By internet gobshites I meant they're quite happy to gob off on the internet but half wouldn't say boo on the shopfloor just like I bet you wouldn't say that to my face on the shopfloor Mr Keyboard warrior but thanks anyway :cuppa
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Boltonian-White »

heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 20:11
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:45
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:27
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 11:33
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 10:07
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 09:59
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 08:14
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level
well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.
I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote
But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.
The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway
Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!
That’s rich
How is that rich? Explain please. Just writing out a short statement like that makes you look even more ridiculous.
heraldmoth
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by heraldmoth »

Boltonian-White wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 17:26
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 20:11
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:45
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:27
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 11:33
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 10:07
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 09:59
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 08:14
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level
well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.
I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote
But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.
The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway
Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!
That’s rich
How is that rich? Explain please. Just writing out a short statement like that makes you look even more ridiculous.
“Ridiculous selfish quote” is that not what this place is about? and those of us who called this sell out months ago are still lambasted by union lovies
Boltonian-White
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Boltonian-White »

heraldmoth wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 18:07
Boltonian-White wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 17:26
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 20:11
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:45
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 16:27
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 11:33
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 10:07
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 09:59
heraldmoth wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 08:14
Boltonian-White wrote:
26 Apr 2023, 07:51
Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it :cuppa
I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level
well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.
I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote
But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.
The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway
Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!
That’s rich
How is that rich? Explain please. Just writing out a short statement like that makes you look even more ridiculous.
“Ridiculous selfish quote” is that not what this place is about? and those of us who called this sell out months ago are still lambasted by union lovies
This place? Not everyone on here has an agenda. Some people look beyond selfish short termism based on self interest. And anyone who has a difference of opinion is a union lovie? Ridiculous. More like they can see how over the years the terms and conditions of working for Royal Mail have been slowly eroded and it's a matter of time now until it's just another gig economy job. Especially if it's bought out by Daniel Kretinsky. This deal gives a bit of breathing space until that happens, because it will eventually. Voting no will likely lead to more revisions, job losses and more executive action. As for administration? Who knows? Maybe. Hell of a gamble though.
Ozcabsmangan
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Ozcabsmangan »

It's time for the mangan to leave the union.
Absolutely hopeless
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Boltonian-White wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 13:37
Voting no will likely lead to more revisions, job losses and more executive action.
We've not got any guarantee that voting yes won't also lead to that
Boltonian-White
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by Boltonian-White »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 19:33
Boltonian-White wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 13:37
Voting no will likely lead to more revisions, job losses and more executive action.
We've not got any guarantee that voting yes won't also lead to that
The only guarantee in life is death and taxes.
It’s a huge gamble voting no in my opinion but for some it seems to be a game. A game they’re willing to gamble their job on. Well that’s fine if you can afford to lose but the majority cannot.
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Re: Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

Post by aiden01 »

Boltonian-White wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 10:45
SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 19:33
Boltonian-White wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 13:37
Voting no will likely lead to more revisions, job losses and more executive action.
We've not got any guarantee that voting yes won't also lead to that
The only guarantee in life is death and taxes.
It’s a huge gamble voting no in my opinion but for some it seems to be a game. A game they’re willing to gamble their job on. Well that’s fine if you can afford to lose but the majority cannot.
100%.