Has the CWU dug it's own grave ?

[Belgium]

thinking of cancelling my cwu membership can we all swap to unite

I’ve already cancelled mine as the CWU have shown they are only interested in self preservation, they are useless and their incompetence is beyond belief.

As for Unite, they are no different to the CWU, and as a former rep of Unite I know what I’m talking about.

There are a lot of people on here saying they have already cancelled their cwu membership, that means you will not get a ballot paper ergo you will not be able to vote no which will be as good as a yes vote in the long run

[Belgium]

most likely scenario

the ballot comes back as a No vote

the cwu go back to Royal Mail

Royal mail say the deal on the table is the only deal

the cwu ballot us for strike action

the ballot for strike does not meet the legal threshold so cannot go ahead

after that we are in uncharted territory

[hfcbkk1875]

Don't cancel your subs untill this is done one way or another .
If you cancel now you won't get your vote .
Myself ,I'm using my vote untill this is over one-way or another .
Then I'll have a serious look at where we are and probably 95%certain that it's cancled ..
I can't pay into a so called union that is only in it for there own self preservation and willing to sellout it's members .
27years I've been a union member don't think I'll be making it 28years unless there's a miracle.

Vote no .
Remove the enemy within the cwu .
Remove ward,furry and the other shysters on pec .

[clashcityrocker]

Don't cancel your subs until this is done one way or another .

I have never had a good word to say about Ward or Pullinger.
The deal is the deal. Vote for it or vote against it - your choice.

But never in a million years would I consider cancelling my trade union membership over it.

[heraldmoth]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

You’re all over the place, I’m in the union because it’s the done thing I’m just saying it generally been a massive let down though. If you’re in the right there should be no issue defending yourself is my other main point. The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

[Boltonian-White]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!

[hfcbkk1875]

Don't cancel your subs until this is done one way or another .

I have never had a good word to say about Ward or Pullinger.
The deal is the deal. Vote for it or vote against it - your choice.

But never in a million years would I consider cancelling my trade union membership over it.

The problem is if this goes through then cwu will only be a trade union in all but name .
They will be a workers association just like Simon Thompson wanted .
First major problem and RM will just say get back in line or we will remove the structure on which you exist ...cwu will buckel just like they have now ..
What kind of trade union is that .
As I said before I can't be paying subs into a self preservation society .the union exist because of the members not pec .

Pec have decided self preservation over the members .
If there's a minor miracle then they may get my sub ,but as it stands it's looking like I'll be out once this is done and dusted .

Or hopefully I get a new job ,yes my job search began at the weekend heres hoping I can get out of this mess .if not then probably no union for me .
27years a union member
Scunnered by the cwu .

Vote no
Remove the enemy within the cwu.
Remove ward,furry and the rest of the shysters on pec .

[enskied]

Has the union brought its own demise by agreeing such a bad deal,too many members have lost faith in them now & will withdraw membership fees

Another moronic anti union post. The CWU does not only represent RM employees.....
Some angry people out there at the moment. Get a f***ing grip, seriously

Not many other employees happy with their outcomes.

[freespeech]

Don't cancel your subs until this is done one way or another .

I have never had a good word to say about Ward or Pullinger.
The deal is the deal. Vote for it or vote against it - your choice.

But never in a million years would I consider cancelling my trade union membership over it.

The problem is if this goes through then cwu will only be a trade union in all but name .
They will be a workers association just like Simon Thompson wanted .
First major problem and RM will just say get back in line or we will remove the structure on which you exist ...cwu will buckel just like they have now ..
What kind of trade union is that .
As I said before I can't be paying subs into a self preservation society .the union exist because of the members not pec .

Pec have decided self preservation over the members .
If there's a minor miracle then they may get my sub ,but as it stands it's looking like I'll be out once this is done and dusted .

Or hopefully I get a new job ,yes my job search began at the weekend heres hoping I can get out of this mess .if not then probably no union for me .
27years a union member
Scunnered by the cwu .

Vote no
Remove the enemy within the cwu.
Remove ward,furry and the rest of the shysters on pec .

The problem is that the CWU have relied on the RM membership numbers for too long so any risk to that does trigger self preservation. You would think they would be pushing for members from other delivery/distribution companies so the RM membership isn't such a large % of overall union membership. I think it's around 60%.

[ReturnToSenderrr]

How much are the CWU fees per month?

[heraldmoth]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!

That’s rich

[heraldmoth]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

Wow, just about the most ridiculous and selfish statement I've read on here and that takes a lot to beat!

That’s rich

U started off by saying members who leave will come running back that was click bait from the start, the union have been out gunned by the company for over a decade and now this has shown them for what they are, all talk

[Wolf91]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

You’re all over the place, I’m in the union because it’s the done thing I’m just saying it generally been a massive let down though. If you’re in the right there should be no issue defending yourself is my other main point. The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

There are some points you are making here I am agreeing with. The union have not painted themselves in a good light for quite some time…
However…
God forbid, you or I were involved in a RTC that resulted in a fatality or something of the sort, I would want decent lawyers representing my case.
That kind of stuff gets rather expensive.
For that reason alone it is worth staying in.

[heraldmoth]

Those saying they'll leave the union will soon come running back at the first hint of a conduct case.....

internet gobshites I think they call it

I’ve personally had 2 conduct cases both dismissed and both without the help of even a unit rep. You give them far to much credit at local level

well done you. Are you not in the union? Are you anti-union by any chance? Bad experience with a union rep?

You'll find for the average member of the CWU, the peace of mind that comes with knowing the union will represent them is worth the subs every week.

Not every member can represent themselves and that's the whole purpose of the union, but then again if you are anti-union that's something that you just don't get I suppose and pointless trying to explain.

I’m in the union and only ever had an area rep who only appears when he needs a vote

But it's not just about you though is it? Mr 'I can represent myself at conduct cases but I'm in the union just in case'

Nice of you to ignore everything else I wrote.

You’re all over the place, I’m in the union because it’s the done thing I’m just saying it generally been a massive let down though. If you’re in the right there should be no issue defending yourself is my other main point. The Average members are grown men and women and should be capable of fighting their own battles anyway

There are some points you are making here I am agreeing with. The union have not painted themselves in a good light for quite some time…
However…
God forbid, you or I were involved in a RTC that resulted in a fatality or something of the sort, I would want decent lawyers representing my case.
That kind of stuff gets rather expensive.
For that reason alone it is worth staying in.

Again and touch wood, you mean a blameworthy RTC

[guardianangel]

Yes they have,like others on here i'm voting NO but if the unthinkable happens and it goes through i'll be leaving the union and recoup some of the money they have lost us and will not return until every PEC member ,Dave Ward and all his cronies are gone.