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How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

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Do you agree with the deal?

Poll ended at 28 Apr 2023, 12:30

Yes
249
24%
No
788
76%
 
Total votes: 1037

SWIM
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Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by SWIM »

through the app.
'deal of the century' - dingo
Krafty
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Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by Krafty »

SWIM wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:24
through the app.
Don't have the app.
mightyowler
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by mightyowler »

aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:17
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:11
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
I knew this would come about :arrrghhh

I’ve many friends still working within RM, many I talk with on a weekly, I also know many employees who’ve never held any other job other than RM, some in their 60’s. It’s them I think about, to some Royal Mail is not only a job but an existence.

If I annoy you with opinions, I apologise, but my heart is in the right place and this agreement isn’t directed towards folk committed to the business in my opinion
Definitely not annoyed me with your opinion you are entitled to it..was just pointing out that a few ex-employees are telling us how to vote.
No worries - I don’t know your role within RM, so I won’t comment regarding your daily. I was only expressing my opinion and that of many affected by the proposed changes to the business.

We both know RM employ too many managers for the job, it’s time they felt a change, not the leg workers that carry the business.
77SAMPOST77
PARCELFORCE
Posts: 365
Joined: 20 Sep 2022, 15:49
Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:42
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:17
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:11
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
I knew this would come about :arrrghhh

I’ve many friends still working within RM, many I talk with on a weekly, I also know many employees who’ve never held any other job other than RM, some in their 60’s. It’s them I think about, to some Royal Mail is not only a job but an existence.

If I annoy you with opinions, I apologise, but my heart is in the right place and this agreement isn’t directed towards folk committed to the business in my opinion
Definitely not annoyed me with your opinion you are entitled to it..was just pointing out that a few ex-employees are telling us how to vote.
No worries - I don’t know your role within RM, so I won’t comment regarding your daily. I was only expressing my opinion and that of many affected by the proposed changes to the business.

We both know RM employ too many managers for the job, it’s time they felt a change, not the leg workers that carry the business.
You are correct about the managers , way to many of them and overpaid for what they do ,
I think once they have finished destroying our terms and conditions they will go after them next to save even more money .
Flashman_
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Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by Flashman_ »

milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:10
steve2zaf wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:05
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
His advice is much more appreciated than some one like yourself who has no idea what this means to the walking postie.
Sat in your cushy warm M/C clueless and condescending to the realities of this horrendous deal and what it poses for the majority.
I've been on Deliveries and if the job is so terrible look for something else because at some point in the future you will be working similar hours to our competitors.
Consumers want to order stuff off the Internet on a Friday night and have it delivered when they are at home on a weekend.

Here is the news for you on that BS. Consumers don't give a toss when its delivered, they just want it delivered in a timely fashion. "Consumers" do not want to stay in on a weekend, they have normal lives and go out and do stuff.
I get more no answers on a Saturday afternoon than any other day of the week for that reason. If it was about getting parcels to people as efficiently as possible we would still be delivering most mail pre1200hrs, end off.
milly
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 1246
Joined: 14 Sep 2007, 09:43

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by milly »

Flashman_ wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:50
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:10
steve2zaf wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:05
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
His advice is much more appreciated than some one like yourself who has no idea what this means to the walking postie.
Sat in your cushy warm M/C clueless and condescending to the realities of this horrendous deal and what it poses for the majority.
I've been on Deliveries and if the job is so terrible look for something else because at some point in the future you will be working similar hours to our competitors.
Consumers want to order stuff off the Internet on a Friday night and have it delivered when they are at home on a weekend.

Here is the news for you on that BS. Consumers don't give a toss when its delivered, they just want it delivered in a timely fashion. "Consumers" do not want to stay in on a weekend, they have normal lives and go out and do stuff.
I get more no answers on a Saturday afternoon than any other day of the week for that reason. If it was about getting parcels to people as efficiently as possible we would still be delivering most mail pre1200hrs, end off.
Consumers want their Parcels delivered when they are at home which in the main would be late afternoon or weekends.
I end up having my Parcels redelivered on a Saturday when I'm at home.
LouBarlow
Posts: 4682
Joined: 15 Oct 2007, 18:56

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by LouBarlow »

Krafty wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:19
How would I go about stopping my subs?
Why would you want out of the union now? When these changes come in, you will likely need them more than ever.
datasaint
Posts: 1541
Joined: 22 Sep 2008, 17:19
Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by datasaint »

If anyone has any doubts over voting no, ask yourself why the CWU HQ didn't have a Facebook live session the same day it was announced to inform the members on this agreement.

That's because they know it's a flop.
heapsy
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Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 23:40
Gender: Male
Location: Drinking with Gangsters

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by heapsy »

A bigger lump sum, say £1,000 and a bit more on years 2 and 3 would have got a yes vote from me. I think we should have got about 4.5% year 2 followed by 3.5% year 3. I'm in delivery and I know what a days work really is. Our shift allowance should be higher too.
postslippete
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Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by postslippete »

mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:42
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:17
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:11
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
I knew this would come about :arrrghhh

I’ve many friends still working within RM, many I talk with on a weekly, I also know many employees who’ve never held any other job other than RM, some in their 60’s. It’s them I think about, to some Royal Mail is not only a job but an existence.

If I annoy you with opinions, I apologise, but my heart is in the right place and this agreement isn’t directed towards folk committed to the business in my opinion
Definitely not annoyed me with your opinion you are entitled to it..was just pointing out that a few ex-employees are telling us how to vote.
No worries - I don’t know your role within RM, so I won’t comment regarding your daily. I was only expressing my opinion and that of many affected by the proposed changes to the business.

We both know RM employ too many managers for the job, it’s time they felt a change, not the leg workers that carry the business.
I agree. Too many of them on more money than what they used to get and little responsibility for maintaining the USO. That needs to change.

The business really need to get operational managers out on deliveries. There's too many of them living the life of Riley sat at their desks in offices when we have gone out. They should be prepared to cover any duty, the work that we do is mainly outdoors now.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
SpacePhoenix
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
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Joined: 12 Nov 2008, 17:03
Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Why do DOs need more than 1 manager in the office once everyone has headed out on their walks?
DGH
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Location: Neither here nor there

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by DGH »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 07:56
Why do DOs need more than 1 manager in the office once everyone has headed out on their walks?
There are, apparently, many boxes to be ticked on the many forms that 'need' to be filled.

In fairness, you'd ideally want at least two managers in case one had to leave the office because of an emergency (it doesn't happen often, but it can). But in terms of actual useful work, as opposed to RM's self-imposed paper-pushing exercises in 'accountability', there's not a deal for them to do, except for any DPT?LAT manager, who will have real work to do - but obviously not all offices have them.
Boltonian-White
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Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by Boltonian-White »

milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:56
Flashman_ wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:50
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:10
steve2zaf wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:05
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
His advice is much more appreciated than some one like yourself who has no idea what this means to the walking postie.
Sat in your cushy warm M/C clueless and condescending to the realities of this horrendous deal and what it poses for the majority.
I've been on Deliveries and if the job is so terrible look for something else because at some point in the future you will be working similar hours to our competitors.
Consumers want to order stuff off the Internet on a Friday night and have it delivered when they are at home on a weekend.

Here is the news for you on that BS. Consumers don't give a toss when its delivered, they just want it delivered in a timely fashion. "Consumers" do not want to stay in on a weekend, they have normal lives and go out and do stuff.
I get more no answers on a Saturday afternoon than any other day of the week for that reason. If it was about getting parcels to people as efficiently as possible we would still be delivering most mail pre1200hrs, end off.
Consumers want their Parcels delivered when they are at home which in the main would be late afternoon or weekends.
I end up having my Parcels redelivered on a Saturday when I'm at home.
Consumers generally want their parcels beamed into their living rooms because a lot of them order so much stuff they actually forget what they order. That's the majority that I deliver to. Some don't even answer their doors because they're scared it's a debt collector! So do they want everything they order the next day? They aren't bothered as far as I can tell.
Just because you think this way don't assume everyone else does. Reality seems to be a very different way to how you think things happen.
Millyworld I think it's called ..... :roll:
77SAMPOST77
PARCELFORCE
Posts: 365
Joined: 20 Sep 2022, 15:49
Gender: Male

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

Boltonian-White wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 14:03
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:56
Flashman_ wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:50
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:10
steve2zaf wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:05
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
His advice is much more appreciated than some one like yourself who has no idea what this means to the walking postie.
Sat in your cushy warm M/C clueless and condescending to the realities of this horrendous deal and what it poses for the majority.
I've been on Deliveries and if the job is so terrible look for something else because at some point in the future you will be working similar hours to our competitors.
Consumers want to order stuff off the Internet on a Friday night and have it delivered when they are at home on a weekend.

Here is the news for you on that BS. Consumers don't give a toss when its delivered, they just want it delivered in a timely fashion. "Consumers" do not want to stay in on a weekend, they have normal lives and go out and do stuff.
I get more no answers on a Saturday afternoon than any other day of the week for that reason. If it was about getting parcels to people as efficiently as possible we would still be delivering most mail pre1200hrs, end off.
Consumers want their Parcels delivered when they are at home which in the main would be late afternoon or weekends.
I end up having my Parcels redelivered on a Saturday when I'm at home.
Consumers generally want their parcels beamed into their living rooms because a lot of them order so much stuff they actually forget what they order. That's the majority that I deliver to. Some don't even answer their doors because they're scared it's a debt collector! So do they want everything they order the next day? They aren't bothered as far as I can tell.
Just because you think this way don't assume everyone else does. Reality seems to be a very different way to how you think things happen.
Millyworld I think it's called ..... :roll:
In my experience Saturday is no better a time to deliver than any other day ,
Most people unlike Milly are busy on a Saturday ,
Football , swimming , Golf , kids events , shopping , Weekends away to name but a few .
LouBarlow
Posts: 4682
Joined: 15 Oct 2007, 18:56

Re: How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

Post by LouBarlow »

77SAMPOST77 wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 14:17
Boltonian-White wrote:
24 Apr 2023, 14:03
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:56
Flashman_ wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 17:50
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:10
steve2zaf wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 16:05
aiden01 wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:53
milly wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:47
mightyowler wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 15:00
Over the years many ballots have been dictated by the votes of postman, how it should be considering it’s the harshest role in RM. The mail centre closures was never happening considering the money spent on implementing the new machines, so hopefully mail centre personnel understand the meaning of solidarity in this upcoming vote.
Don't when you last worked for Royal Mail but they are now taking Machines out of Mail Centres and have been for a few years.
Another ex-employee telling us how to vote :arrrghhh
His advice is much more appreciated than some one like yourself who has no idea what this means to the walking postie.
Sat in your cushy warm M/C clueless and condescending to the realities of this horrendous deal and what it poses for the majority.
I've been on Deliveries and if the job is so terrible look for something else because at some point in the future you will be working similar hours to our competitors.
Consumers want to order stuff off the Internet on a Friday night and have it delivered when they are at home on a weekend.

Here is the news for you on that BS. Consumers don't give a toss when its delivered, they just want it delivered in a timely fashion. "Consumers" do not want to stay in on a weekend, they have normal lives and go out and do stuff.
I get more no answers on a Saturday afternoon than any other day of the week for that reason. If it was about getting parcels to people as efficiently as possible we would still be delivering most mail pre1200hrs, end off.
Consumers want their Parcels delivered when they are at home which in the main would be late afternoon or weekends.
I end up having my Parcels redelivered on a Saturday when I'm at home.
Consumers generally want their parcels beamed into their living rooms because a lot of them order so much stuff they actually forget what they order. That's the majority that I deliver to. Some don't even answer their doors because they're scared it's a debt collector! So do they want everything they order the next day? They aren't bothered as far as I can tell.
Just because you think this way don't assume everyone else does. Reality seems to be a very different way to how you think things happen.
Millyworld I think it's called ..... :roll:
In my experience Saturday is no better a time to deliver than any other day ,
Most people unlike Milly are busy on a Saturday ,
Football , swimming , Golf , kids events , shopping , Weekends away to name but a few .
I always bring back more on a weekend.