Reps and agreement

[milly]

Like standing in a barrel of sh*te up to your chest....not too bad, I can do that...right up to the point when the sh*te creeps up over your chin!

Imvho a vote to accept this bs offering will accelerate the flow of sh*te.

You better hope you've brought yr snorkel!

Exactly, accept this without a fight and we are belly up for the rest
Vote No

Times have moved on we are no longer a Monopoly and I'm sure the rest of our competitors could divide our market share between them within a couple of years and I doubt the Government would trouble them with the USO either.
I hope all the Millitants are ready for the backlash if things don't go their way if there's a No vote and Royal Mail refuse to budge.

[nuisance]

I'm thinking possibly a 4 day week? An Innovative shift pattern, yes, we would be working later but there's at least an element of compromise with an additional day off. RM can also keep its new sick pay policy as at least an ageing workforce will have an additional day off to recover. That's the common sense way through this dispute....

This is a terrible idea. Condensing more miles into four days with, what, 8 hour delivery spans?
The only way to end this dispute is for RM to leave finish times alone, leave sick pay alone (or come up with a better proposal to address the piss-takers and not the genuinely, occasionally ill and injured rather than punishing everybody) and stop with the "you're all still not flexible enough we need you to commit to moreeeeeeee". Or offer a shedload more money (which would still not do it for me, but would do it enough for a yes vote).

I wondered if it could be possible for all mail to be delayed by a day as the new first class target. Like, allow everything to get to delivery offices later but, say, only next-day parcels go out on delivery (a second delivery for full timers again!) and all mail is sorted and prepared for delivery early the following morning. I know it's a reduction in the quality of service but it would be official, across the board and allow RM to make the changes and savings they want to on the transport of the mail. Perhaps it's a dumb idea but that's all I've thought up.

[enskied]

Like standing in a barrel of sh*te up to your chest....not too bad, I can do that...right up to the point when the sh*te creeps up over your chin!

Imvho a vote to accept this bs offering will accelerate the flow of sh*te.

You better hope you've brought yr snorkel!

Exactly, accept this without a fight and we are belly up for the rest
Vote No

Times have moved on we are no longer a Monopoly and I'm sure the rest of our competitors could divide our market share between them within a couple of years and I doubt the Government would trouble them with the USO either.
I hope all the Millitants are ready for the backlash if things don't go their way if there's a No vote and Royal Mail refuse to budge.

So tell me Milly... Who posts mail?
We are a monopoly.

[k979aaa]

Like standing in a barrel of sh*te up to your chest....not too bad, I can do that...right up to the point when the sh*te creeps up over your chin!

Imvho a vote to accept this bs offering will accelerate the flow of sh*te.

You better hope you've brought yr snorkel!

Exactly, accept this without a fight and we are belly up for the rest
Vote No

Times have moved on we are no longer a Monopoly and I'm sure the rest of our competitors could divide our market share between them within a couple of years and I doubt the Government would trouble them with the USO either.
I hope all the Millitants are ready for the backlash if things don't go their way if there's a No vote and Royal Mail refuse to budge.

So tell me Milly... Who posts mail?
We are a monopoly.

No you post other peoples mail that is the crux of the problem.

[Slim2none]

And what next do you have a tree that grows money to pay us all a deal that will keep the business afloat and an agreement so your gambling on our future's by say you can get a better deal?

Wow that's a childish argument you're trying to make there.
It is neither mine or your responsibility to come up with any alternative deal or to keep the business afloat. That responsibility lies firmly at the feet of the top brass of RM. If these grossly overpaid and seemingly well educated individuals at the top have got RM into this predicament, the onus is on them to find a way out of it. The only way that is possible, as said many many times before, on here and from the top table of the CWU, is to bring the workforce along for the ride...willingly!
Treat the employees with respect and they will go the extra mile. Treat them with contempt and they won't.
Agreement to this proposal signifies to RM that the workforce will accept anything and everything they want to do in the future. You are essentially removing the teeth from the lion. We would have no further recourse.
And just so we are clear....It is my opinion, there is no way a company group like IDS can enter administration whilst making profit in any division of the group and it's assets outweigh liabilities. The first action will be that the shareholders will demand replacement of the management from the top down.
People on here are saying the CWU top bods have agreed the so called deal to try to protect their own jobs but surely then the RM board must be doing exactly the same.

All that said, it is your right to choose which way you vote and that is exactly as it should be. I just believe that a yes vote now pretty much guarantees a step closer to not having a vote on anything to do with the job down the road. Capitulation.

Again my opinion, that just like you and everyone else, I am entitled to express.

[Flashman_]

The negotiators rejected as much if not better
This isn’t even a compromise
Our reps will advise us to reject this sham
As should every other local rep
1 the pay offer is shite ,worst % offer of every group action in other companies nationally
2 the terms and conditions are as bad as what we originally rejected
So if going into administration is the nuclear option go for it
I got one am not going to run myself into the ground for shareholders to get even more millions in the long run
And they haven’t attacked your pensions yet and they will

Bravo, If we had a Union of people with such clarity of thought we would never have got into this position in the first place.

[Flashman_]

And what next do you have a tree that grows money to pay us all a deal that will keep the business afloat and an agreement so your gambling on our future's by say you can get a better deal?

Wow that's a childish argument you're trying to make there.
It is neither mine or your responsibility to come up with any alternative deal or to keep the business afloat. That responsibility lies firmly at the feet of the top brass of RM. If these grossly overpaid and seemingly well educated individuals at the top have got RM into this predicament, the onus is on them to find a way out of it. The only way that is possible, as said many many times before, on here and from the top table of the CWU, is to bring the workforce along for the ride...willingly!
Treat the employees with respect and they will go the extra mile. Treat them with contempt and they won't.
Agreement to this proposal signifies to RM that the workforce will accept anything and everything they want to do in the future. You are essentially removing the teeth from the lion. We would have no further recourse.
And just so we are clear....It is my opinion, there is no way a company group like IDS can enter administration whilst making profit in any division of the group and it's assets outweigh liabilities. The first action will be that the shareholders will demand replacement of the management from the top down.
People on here are saying the CWU top bods have agreed the so called deal to try to protect their own jobs but surely then the RM board must be doing exactly the same.

All that said, it is your right to choose which way you vote and that is exactly as it should be. I just believe that a yes vote now pretty much guarantees a step closer to not having a vote on anything to do with the job down the road. Capitulation.

Again my opinion, that just like you and everyone else, I am entitled to express.

Well put, any future IA will simply be ignored if they get away with this.

[thefox]

Area rep in next week to convince us what a good deal this is

Tell him to f**k off

[k979aaa]

Look as third party not someone defending their rights and agree but in the eyes of the world or reality your wrong the world is not royal mail it is a bloody postal service for gods sake. Thing is the deal is s**t but no deal is worse !

[claystones]

no way its going to be a yes vote our office all voting no its a total heap of s**t CWU hang your heads in shame bringing that crap deal to us

[Belgium]

I think there is going to be a lot of surprised people on here when the vote comes in, yes people are saying it’s a 100% no in our office, but I guarantee you a lot of those people are just saying they are going to vote no because that’s what people want to hear, but when push comes to shove and the voting paper is in front of them in the privacy of their own home they will put an x in the yes box

[aiden01]

no way its going to be a yes vote our office all voting no its a total heap of s**t CWU hang your heads in shame bringing that crap deal to us

What people tell you then do is entirely different.

[k979aaa]

no way its going to be a yes vote our office all voting no its a total heap of s**t CWU hang your heads in shame bringing that crap deal to us

it is not the CWU fault but piss poor management the CWU don't run the the whole of royal mail ask the CEO why not us all managers or postmen we try our best with the limitations of those above us. it is leadership which is lacking of RM and the vision of just us all as cannon fodder!

[nuisance]

I think there is going to be a lot of surprised people on here when the vote comes in, yes people are saying it’s a 100% no in our office, but I guarantee you a lot of those people are just saying they are going to vote no because that’s what people want to hear, but when push comes to shove and the voting paper is in front of them in the privacy of their own home they will put an x in the yes box

Why? Genuinely, what has anyone got to gain from voting for something that makes everything - money, terms and conditions - worse for them?

Just through fear of what might happen if they don't sign up to settle for what they can see on the table? I really believe that the majority of posties are made of tougher stuff than that!

[k979aaa]

I think there is going to be a lot of surprised people on here when the vote comes in, yes people are saying it’s a 100% no in our office, but I guarantee you a lot of those people are just saying they are going to vote no because that’s what people want to hear, but when push comes to shove and the voting paper is in front of them in the privacy of their own home they will put an x in the yes box

Why? Genuinely, what has anyone got to gain from voting for something that makes everything - money, terms and conditions - worse for them?

Just through fear of what might happen if they don't sign up to settle for what they can see on the table? I really believe that the majority of posties are made of tougher stuff than that!

Come and tell us all your deal!