Reps and agreement

[hfcbkk1875]

Our rep is voting no and not promoting the deal to anyone. the d.o is raging .
Vote no and remove ward ,fury and pec

[timbo1234]

I hope all the local reps are going to actually grow a set of balls and tell their colleagues what is actually going to be happening with this s**t agreement
How any of them can face their members and try to endorse the agreement I don’t know
They should be refusing to follow instructions from negotiators and PEC re RM/ CWU sham of a deal
I know our guys are already going to be setting the proper agenda for a NO vote

Vote no and gamble with yours and everybody's future. Can you gurantee RM will not enter administration? No you can't, nobody can. The language from RM and CWU is sombre and subdued. They acknowledge the deal is not what people want but if you think that by destroying RM and the CWU is a good plan then nothing I or anybody says will convince you otherwise. The reps are people doing their best . They are friends and colleagues. A civil war is the worst outcome. Anybody who thinks the government will step in is barking mad. They don't care about people dying due to NHS industrial action so they certainly won't bother about undelivered letters and parcels. Lose this battle but regroup and win the war. In the words of the song The Gambler " you got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em". Nobody on this site has offered a credible alternative. It's a simple choice - vote no then wait to see what RM do which we will have no control over - or vote yes , regroup, change the union tactics/leaders and plan a better campaign when the next challenge arises. I am not a gambler!!

I think for me and a lot of people I have spoken with, if this deal goes through we won’t be there much longer.

To sum up the job with this deal -

Crap Pay
Worse hours
More pressure

We will be at minimum wage by 2025 at this rate!

This is probably what ST wanted all along. That was his plan. Personally I think we will stay above minimum wage a little while longer than 2025, maybe if we are lucky 2030, but I’m not sure what can stop that now.

For once I totally agree with you. His mission is complete. I think he will leave soon as planned.

[FilthyBloke]

I hope all the local reps are going to actually grow a set of balls and tell their colleagues what is actually going to be happening with this s**t agreement
How any of them can face their members and try to endorse the agreement I don’t know
They should be refusing to follow instructions from negotiators and PEC re RM/ CWU sham of a deal
I know our guys are already going to be setting the proper agenda for a NO vote

Vote no and gamble with yours and everybody's future. Can you gurantee RM will not enter administration? No you can't, nobody can. The language from RM and CWU is sombre and subdued. They acknowledge the deal is not what people want but if you think that by destroying RM and the CWU is a good plan then nothing I or anybody says will convince you otherwise. The reps are people doing their best . They are friends and colleagues. A civil war is the worst outcome. Anybody who thinks the government will step in is barking mad. They don't care about people dying due to NHS industrial action so they certainly won't bother about undelivered letters and parcels. Lose this battle but regroup and win the war. In the words of the song The Gambler " you got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em". Nobody on this site has offered a credible alternative. It's a simple choice - vote no then wait to see what RM do which we will have no control over - or vote yes , regroup, change the union tactics/leaders and plan a better campaign when the next challenge arises. I am not a gambler!!

I think for me and a lot of people I have spoken with, if this deal goes through we won’t be there much longer.

To sum up the job with this deal -

Crap Pay
Worse hours
More pressure

We will be at minimum wage by 2025 at this rate!

This is probably what ST wanted all along. That was his plan. Personally I think we will stay above minimum wage a little while longer than 2025, maybe if we are lucky 2030, but I’m not sure what can stop that now.

For once I totally agree with you. His mission is complete. I think he will leave soon as planned.

I think so. It might even be that we are left to stew for a week or so and then it’s announced we may get a slightly bigger lump sum and ST will leave his post as a sign of trust building or something.

I think it’ll be a lot closer than people think with the YES:NO vote and something late in the day (like a lump sum increase and ST leaving may sway the undecided).

[postslippete]

I hope all the local reps are going to actually grow a set of balls and tell their colleagues what is actually going to be happening with this s**t agreement
How any of them can face their members and try to endorse the agreement I don’t know
They should be refusing to follow instructions from negotiators and PEC re RM/ CWU sham of a deal
I know our guys are already going to be setting the proper agenda for a NO vote

Vote no and gamble with yours and everybody's future. Can you gurantee RM will not enter administration? No you can't, nobody can. The language from RM and CWU is sombre and subdued. They acknowledge the deal is not what people want but if you think that by destroying RM and the CWU is a good plan then nothing I or anybody says will convince you otherwise. The reps are people doing their best . They are friends and colleagues. A civil war is the worst outcome. Anybody who thinks the government will step in is barking mad. They don't care about people dying due to NHS industrial action so they certainly won't bother about undelivered letters and parcels. Lose this battle but regroup and win the war. In the words of the song The Gambler " you got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em". Nobody on this site has offered a credible alternative. It's a simple choice - vote no then wait to see what RM do which we will have no control over - or vote yes , regroup, change the union tactics/leaders and plan a better campaign when the next challenge arises. I am not a gambler!!

What's this obsession that you have with the government and the NHS?? We are not the ones that are trying to destroy Royal Mail either.


There is a credible alternative - we vote no and get a couple of the changes that Royal Mail are after altered. There is always a better deal on the table and btw this is not a game of poker

[norris9]

this deal will obviously get a YES vote.

I am not sure where you 'I'm going to vote NO' people are coming from.

The vibe I am getting is that people wanted that £1,500 lump sum and now that disappeared people are angry. Still, you are getting the same amount of money this year if you vote yes and will get the 6% part of the deal right away - which for me is the better option as we can't trust Royal Mail management.

You have zero chance of getting no changes and a 20% pay rise and a £10,000 bonus..... what do you 'no' people want realistically?

Maybe it's mainly people who have kids to pick up from school and they are worried they will now have to quit this job as they won't be able to pick up their children and that's going to be quite a lot of people.

[timbo1234]

I hope all the local reps are going to actually grow a set of balls and tell their colleagues what is actually going to be happening with this s**t agreement
How any of them can face their members and try to endorse the agreement I don’t know
They should be refusing to follow instructions from negotiators and PEC re RM/ CWU sham of a deal
I know our guys are already going to be setting the proper agenda for a NO vote

Vote no and gamble with yours and everybody's future. Can you gurantee RM will not enter administration? No you can't, nobody can. The language from RM and CWU is sombre and subdued. They acknowledge the deal is not what people want but if you think that by destroying RM and the CWU is a good plan then nothing I or anybody says will convince you otherwise. The reps are people doing their best . They are friends and colleagues. A civil war is the worst outcome. Anybody who thinks the government will step in is barking mad. They don't care about people dying due to NHS industrial action so they certainly won't bother about undelivered letters and parcels. Lose this battle but regroup and win the war. In the words of the song The Gambler " you got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em". Nobody on this site has offered a credible alternative. It's a simple choice - vote no then wait to see what RM do which we will have no control over - or vote yes , regroup, change the union tactics/leaders and plan a better campaign when the next challenge arises. I am not a gambler!!

What's this obsession that you have with the government and the NHS?? We are not the ones that are trying to destroy Royal Mail either.


There is a credible alternative - we vote no and get a couple of the changes that Royal Mail are after altered. There is always a better deal on the table and btw this is not a game of poker

Oh yes it is. Pick the wrong hand to play you could lose everything. If we vote no and RM do enter administration there is no plan B. None of us would have any say in anything. What makes you think that a no vote would make RM do anything?

[postslippete]

Oh yes it is. Pick the wrong hand to play you could lose everything. If we vote no and RM do enter administration there is no plan B. None of us would have any say in anything. What makes you think that a no vote would make RM do anything?

Please stop scaremongering!! I can't see the government allowing it to get that far and it needs their approval. Don't forget that the govt have knocked back a day off the USO that Royal Mail wanted. We wouldn't have a say in that anyway.

A No vote might just put a bit more pressure on Royal Mail and the CWU. I don't think that there will be more strikes though. Don't forget any deal that is made we will have to live with for the future - that's why it has to be right. While time passes we are not losing out by racing ahead with the changes that Royal Mail want. In fact, likei said before most of the changes like later starts will not be coming until next year

[timbo1234]

Oh yes it is. Pick the wrong hand to play you could lose everything. If we vote no and RM do enter administration there is no plan B. None of us would have any say in anything. What makes you think that a no vote would make RM do anything?

Please stop scaremongering!! I can't see the government allowing it to get that far and it needs their approval. Don't forget that the govt have knocked back a day off the USO that Royal Mail wanted. We wouldn't have a say in that anyway.

A No vote might just put a bit more pressure on Royal Mail and the CWU. I don't think that there will be more strikes though. Don't forget any deal that is made we will have to live with for the future - that's why it has to be right. While time passes we are not losing out by racing ahead with the changes that Royal Mail want. In fact, likei said before most of the changes like later starts will not be coming until next year

Why is it people who want a no vote dismiss anyone voting yes as scaremongering? Put forward a credible plan and I will look at it. I might change my view. You should not say "a no vote might JUST put pressure on RM and CWU". It might push RM to withdraw the offer and will certainly undermine the CWUs position. I understand all the anger being vented but do not act in anger when the consequences are unknown and could be dire.

[chickenwittle]

this deal will obviously get a YES vote.

I am not sure where you 'I'm going to vote NO' people are coming from.

The vibe I am getting is that people wanted that £1,500 lump sum and now that disappeared people are angry. Still, you are getting the same amount of money this year if you vote yes and will get the 6% part of the deal right away - which for me is the better option as we can't trust Royal Mail management.

You have zero chance of getting no changes and a 20% pay rise and a £10,000 bonus..... what do you 'no' people want realistically?

Maybe it's mainly people who have kids to pick up from school and they are worried they will now have to quit this job as they won't be able to pick up their children and that's going to be quite a lot of people.

What a complete nonsense and exaggerating post , nobody is asking for the things you mentioned, would accept the pay but having our t&c smashed is the killer in this agreement.

[postslippete]

Why is it people who want a no vote dismiss anyone voting yes as scaremongering? Put forward a credible plan and I will look at it. I might change my view. You should not say "a no vote might JUST put pressure on RM and CWU". It might push RM to withdraw the offer and will certainly undermine the CWUs position. I understand all the anger being vented but do not act in anger when the consequences are unknown and could be dire.

In at least 4 of your posts you have mentioned "administration". No one else has to that extent so it's fair that you might be scaremongering even if you don't realise this.

Look, if Royal Mail withdraw their offer then it will likely mean that we carry on as we are for the time being with business as usual. The changes in sick pay and IHR won't start until August and the later starts/finishes next year so still plenty of time to reach a deal. Changes always take time anyway and if Royal Mail has learned anything from these recent revisions through executive action, it's best not to rush through changes.

If there's a greater outdoor span there has to be a full commitment to a shorter working week right here and now and not some words on paper that there will be a commitment to do in the future.

I'm thinking possibly a 4 day week? An Innovative shift pattern, yes, we would be working later but there's at least an element of compromise with an additional day off. RM can also keep its new sick pay policy as at least an ageing workforce will have an additional day off to recover. That's the common sense way through this dispute....

[DirtyHarry]

And f*#k anyone who tells me this is the best we could do

Hear, hear.

[k979aaa]

Well the whole deal is s**t but it is the only deal we have got look we could have no deal and be imposed by them like last year and this would be very bad for all of you. But we have a s**t agreement and that is the best we can get better than nothing or imposition!

[Slim2none]

Like standing in a barrel of sh*te up to your chest....not too bad, I can do that...right up to the point when the sh*te creeps up over your chin!

Imvho a vote to accept this bs offering will accelerate the flow of sh*te.

You better hope you've brought yr snorkel!

[enskied]

Like standing in a barrel of sh*te up to your chest....not too bad, I can do that...right up to the point when the sh*te creeps up over your chin!

Imvho a vote to accept this bs offering will accelerate the flow of sh*te.

You better hope you've brought yr snorkel!

Exactly, accept this without a fight and we are belly up for the rest
Vote No

[k979aaa]

And what next do you have a tree that grows money to pay us all a deal that will keep the business afloat and an agreement so your gambling on our future's by say you can get a better deal?