If you accept the deal then don't moan

[marroc327]

Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes

Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.

[CRIBMAD]

Only a moron would vote no, but then most union members are morons.
Work out how much you have paid in subs for what you will get for nothing?

Sorry to add to your workloads Mods, but this has got to cross a line.

Yes truth always hurts

WOW another new poster lol the management must be getting desperate - check that iP address moderator i bet hes got quite a few ids !

[LouBarlow]

Only a moron would vote no, but then most union members are morons.
Work out how much you have paid in subs for what you will get for nothing?

Sorry to add to your workloads Mods, but this has got to cross a line.

Yes truth always hurts

WOW another new poster lol the management must be getting desperate - check that iP address moderator i bet hes got quite a few ids !

He signed up in 2011. Yeah a ‘new poster’ ‘manager’. People don’t agree with you. Get over it.

[guardianangel]

Only a moron would vote no, but then most union members are morons.
Work out how much you have paid in subs for what you will get for nothing?

I'll vote NO and keep my dignity and will never be downtrodden,not by anyone,if that meant losing money or my job so be it.

[FilthyBloke]

Massive unachievable walks, later start and finish times, longer hours in winter, low wage rise, monitoring your performance, but hang on a minute we will get a 1200 after tax lump sum. Then we can't complain and everyone is happy. I can put it towards the motility scooter we will all need once I'm out of here. All our bodies will be physically and mentally broken.

Exactly! It's one of the main reasons why I am incredibly wary of this possible deal because I know it will break a lot of posties. Many of our delivery staff have been on sick leave for months with bad backs, dodgy knees, hips, foot problems. And what do Royal Mail want? They want to reduce sick leave and get rid of ill health retirement. They want to make your walks bigger, they want to you work longer hours in winter, they want to monitor your performance.

What's in it for posties?? Whoopie!! a lump sum and paltry pay rise....ffs

But that’s probably also why they are changing sick pay. If ‘many’ people in your office are already taking months off with dodgy knees and hips etc then they are probably thinking how they can cope when mail is down at the minute.
A business run by shareholders usually cares only of profits.


Personally I think the posties that are in their 60s or been at the company 20 years or so should have their sick leave protected.

[milly]

its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !

Nobody is bending over, I've no idea why you have to use such extreme rhetoric.
You show a total lack of respect for our colleagues who sacrificed a lot to support this Strike.

Most Posties ( in my office anyway ) did not sacrifice a lot to support this strike .
They worked OT and days off after attending the picket line. Some brought in their family clear backlog.
I do not see where most lost money.
Some did.
It's still the same, moaning but continuing to work over, come in earlies, work every day off... Even their holidays.

That maybe particular to your office, but in mine nobody got overtime to get their lost pay back.
And even if they did it's not my business what anyone else does.

[Acca Dacca]

Only a moron would vote no, but then most union members are morons.
Work out how much you have paid in subs for what you will get for nothing?

Sorry to add to your workloads Mods, but this has got to cross a line.

Yes truth always hurts

WOW another new poster lol the management must be getting desperate - check that iP address moderator i bet hes got quite a few ids !

He signed up in 2011. Yeah a ‘new poster’ ‘manager’. People don’t agree with you. Get over it.

Always seem to be on a certain side Lou dont you?

Fresh after defending a poster who said that postal workers dont deserve more than offered and probably less - you are now on here picking apart someone who has criticised a troll saying that most union members, which most on this forum are, are morons

Coming on here posting that most union members are morons is trolling. Get over it Lou.

You are one of the first to cry on here about being labelled a manager etc on here - you dont do yourself any favours

[enskied]

its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !

Nobody is bending over, I've no idea why you have to use such extreme rhetoric.
You show a total lack of respect for our colleagues who sacrificed a lot to support this Strike.

Most Posties ( in my office anyway ) did not sacrifice a lot to support this strike .
They worked OT and days off after attending the picket line. Some brought in their family clear backlog.
I do not see where most lost money.
Some did.
It's still the same, moaning but continuing to work over, come in earlies, work every day off... Even their holidays.

That maybe particular to your office, but in mine nobody got overtime to get their lost pay back.
And even if they did it's not my business what anyone else does.

I somehow doubt that .

[CRIBMAD]

Only a moron would vote no, but then most union members are morons.
Work out how much you have paid in subs for what you will get for nothing?

Sorry to add to your workloads Mods, but this has got to cross a line.

Yes truth always hurts

WOW another new poster lol the management must be getting desperate - check that iP address moderator i bet hes got quite a few ids !

He signed up in 2011. Yeah a ‘new poster’ ‘manager’. People don’t agree with you. Get over it.

Always seem to be on a certain side Lou dont you?

Fresh after defending a poster who said that postal workers dont deserve more than offered and probably less - you are now on here picking apart someone who has criticised a troll saying that most union members, which most on this forum are, are morons

Coming on here posting that most union members are morons is trolling. Get over it Lou.

You are one of the first to cry on here about being labelled a manager etc on here - you dont do yourself any favours

nicely phased

[supershots]

Dangle a worm and one always get a bite or two

[CRIBMAD]

Lou Barlow one of the biggest trolls on CWU Facebook in case you didnt know !

[Timetomoveon]

What happens if members reject deal?

[Shadedpostie]

How I see it is you have two choices. You can vote yes and vote for a deal more than likely has majority of the changes we have striked against but with the lump sum added on there and more or less guaranteed to save your job (for now). It renders the strikes mostly ineffective bar the allowances still being there (which majority don't even get), Sundays are still off, and compulsory redundancies. However, let's be honest on that last point, you definitely have a hell of a lot more that have left than the initial 10,000 so wouldn't even call that a victory.

Or go the no option in hopes of getting a better deal which bare in mind this is the only time out of the entire dispute the union has put forward a deal and are now touting the horn that RM is in big financial trouble. Those that are saying no also still have to deal with the same people negotiating a deal and organising strike action that is if they will at this point. You'd still be striking under their banner even if you don't trust them at this point.

Every deal I've seen so far is either somewhat the same deal as the last if not worse if going down to the detail of it. They haven't actually dropped much if not anything at all even with the strikes and getting bashed by the committee. Their stance still hasn't changed. The only people who have changed is the union themselves. It seems more obvious after the Joint Statement so whatever they've find out during them talks at the time had spooked them.

I wouldn't call them who vote yes idiots or say they have no right to moan, they are just seeing this is the only chance the union has with their best deal. It's the only significant time the union has after nearly a year into this dispute even put an agreement forward. I don't think after all this time the union would put this forward if they didn't think this is the best they we're going to get. Would be a collective waste of time on their end and be embarrassing to go on camera and just be like, "here, this is s**t please vote no on it so can wait another two weeks." Think this deal will be this will be the final deal before s**t hits the fan. All the changes they've forced in I can't see them reversing hence why union has basically U-turned on such as the start times being moved in certain units. The likelihood we vote no, think the EA will go into overtime and blitz though the changes anyways, give a 2% imposed pay deal and it will be that.

I have respect for those that chose to continue to us their right to vote and vote no but just don't see any progress being made after this point from both company and the union.

[Numberone63]

If you tolerate this then your children will be next.

[enskied]

What happens if members reject deal?

Simon Thompson goes with the same payment and the s**t has to be sifted.