Unfortunately there will be alot of narrow minded people just like him that will bend over and take the money.
Shameful.
I have worked in quite a few offices and I have yet to meet anyone, who like me, refused every share issue.
The rot started with privatisation yet there were only 300 of us who refused our share allocation.
So all of you moaning about people accepting the deal because of the lump sum, where the f**k were all of you when the shares were being allocated.
How big and brave were you then?
If you took the shares, you are no different.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes
Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.
Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership, am not saying that I’ll be voting no btw. I’ll be waiting to see the detail but that’s what a ‘no’ vote would mean to me.
I’m more interested in why you think showing distrust in the CWU improves your working conditions and pay. Why even go out on strike, up to now, if you are going to turn down a pay rise and agreement just to spite the union? It is bizarre to me. Instead of agreeing to a deal you are happy to carry on with the same pay, having change imposed on you without any extra money.
If I decide to accept/reject the deal it will be a decision made on what’s best for me my family and my personal circumstances, it will not be blindly due to it being recommended by the negotiators and certainly won’t be ‘in spite of the union’ like you’ve wrongly suggested.
“Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership”
I think everyone would agree that they will be deciding based on what is best for our own circumstances, I just don’t see any scenario, where turning down more money improves them. Again, voting no will not suddenly lead to RM offering any change to the policies they will impose, with or without union support. If voting no leads to more strikes, how will that improve the situation? I’m honestly interested to hear your opinion, because nearly a year of industrial action has not suddenly forced RM to abandon their changes to sick pay etc, that were there at the very beginning.
I think voting no might simply be the most cathartic option, watch the company go down the toilet with a clear conscience
It’s not that simple
Strikes aren’t really working, we stuck with best deal CWU can get
It could be worse, like P&O old employees
“Strikes aren’t working” I think that’s slightly disingenuous, the tactic of impotent 1 and 2 day strikes didn’t work or maybe that was the plan
When you look back, our strike action was a joke.
Odd days off here and there would never have affected the huge network we work for. The Mail backlog was always going to be caught up and recovered soon enough.
It was a wasted opportunity to force their hand at an early stage, the longer we dallied the weaker our position became.
I'm dreading the details of what has been agreed to.
Massive unachievable walks, later start and finish times, longer hours in winter, low wage rise, monitoring your performance, but hang on a minute we will get a 1200 after tax lump sum. Then we can't complain and everyone is happy. I can put it towards the motility scooter we will all need once I'm out of here. All our bodies will be physically and mentally broken.
You are still working the same hours after any deal is agreed on. I come in on time and go home on time. It won’t be any different. I don’t really care what I do between those two times.
That is true but since the introduction of DPR’s at our office in the recent revision and subsequently walks being made larger OPG’s who use devices or apps to measure how far they walk every day reckon they are walking over 8 miles extra a week.
Assuming any deal will still want you working an extra 24 minutes a day in winter and will still include a commitment to trial indoor working methods which they hope will save up to 35 minutes inside work which will presumably add 35 minutes outside work you can understand why people have genuine concerns how they will be able to cope with the increasing physical demands of the job.
Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes
Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.
Unfortunately there will be alot of narrow minded people just like him that will bend over and take the money.
Shameful.
I have worked in quite a few offices and I have yet to meet anyone, who like me, refused every share issue.
The rot started with privatisation yet there were only 300 of us who refused our share allocation.
So all of you moaning about people accepting the deal because of the lump sum, where the f**k were all of you when the shares were being allocated.
How big and brave were you then?
If you took the shares, you are no different.
its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !
Nobody is bending over, I've no idea why you have to use such extreme rhetoric.
You show a total lack of respect for our colleagues who sacrificed a lot to support this Strike.
Most Posties ( in my office anyway ) did not sacrifice a lot to support this strike .
They worked OT and days off after attending the picket line. Some brought in their family clear backlog.
I do not see where most lost money.
Some did.
It's still the same, moaning but continuing to work over, come in earlies, work every day off... Even their holidays.
its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !
Are you the same person who only recently asked how to get ihr..bit spineless that would you not think assuming you are not ill.why would people need to grow a pair i'm sure most of them have been on strike an what has it acheived after nearly a year of talks.people just want a deal.
If a deal comprises of a reduction of our hard earned terms and conditions, then it’s not really a deal is it? It’s a sell out. If you can’t see that RM want a gig economy work force then more fool you
I would be surprised if the deal has changed much since RMs last proposals, and if that's the case, then as I predicted months ago it will be a sell-out agreement.
The CWU leaders don't particularly like it but they have been as effective as a one-legged man in an ar$e kicking contest during the whole of this dispute. It's obvious to me that the Royal Mail board were never going to back down - but why should we? Now before anyone mentions about what further strikes would achieve; I've mentioned nothing about striking as that is clearly playing into Royal Mail's hands. But Royal Mail cannot bring in ALL of the changes that they want unless they get some sort of an agreement with the Union.
So in my humble opinion why agree to any change for the sake of a paltry pay rise and a bribe? There is plenty of scope to get a better deal. Maybe not in terms of pay - but almost certainly in our terms and conditions.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Massive unachievable walks, later start and finish times, longer hours in winter, low wage rise, monitoring your performance, but hang on a minute we will get a 1200 after tax lump sum. Then we can't complain and everyone is happy. I can put it towards the motility scooter we will all need once I'm out of here. All our bodies will be physically and mentally broken.
Exactly! It's one of the main reasons why I am incredibly wary of this possible deal because I know it will break a lot of posties. Many of our delivery staff have been on sick leave for months with bad backs, dodgy knees, hips, foot problems. And what do Royal Mail want? They want to reduce sick leave and get rid of ill health retirement. They want to make your walks bigger, they want to you work longer hours in winter, they want to monitor your performance.
What's in it for posties?? Whoopie!! a lump sum and paltry pay rise....ffs
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
