If you accept the deal then don't moan

[koolishy67]

I am voting YES and I am going to moan as well

[Burghboy]

Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes

Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.

Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership, am not saying that I’ll be voting no btw. I’ll be waiting to see the detail but that’s what a ‘no’ vote would mean to me.

I’m more interested in why you think showing distrust in the CWU improves your working conditions and pay. Why even go out on strike, up to now, if you are going to turn down a pay rise and agreement just to spite the union? It is bizarre to me. Instead of agreeing to a deal you are happy to carry on with the same pay, having change imposed on you without any extra money.

If I decide to accept/reject the deal it will be a decision made on what’s best for me my family and my personal circumstances, it will not be blindly due to it being recommended by the negotiators and certainly won’t be ‘in spite of the union’ like you’ve wrongly suggested.

[LouBarlow]

Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes

Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.

Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership, am not saying that I’ll be voting no btw. I’ll be waiting to see the detail but that’s what a ‘no’ vote would mean to me.

I’m more interested in why you think showing distrust in the CWU improves your working conditions and pay. Why even go out on strike, up to now, if you are going to turn down a pay rise and agreement just to spite the union? It is bizarre to me. Instead of agreeing to a deal you are happy to carry on with the same pay, having change imposed on you without any extra money.

If I decide to accept/reject the deal it will be a decision made on what’s best for me my family and my personal circumstances, it will not be blindly due to it being recommended by the negotiators and certainly won’t be ‘in spite of the union’ like you’ve wrongly suggested.

“Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership”

I think everyone would agree that they will be deciding based on what is best for our own circumstances, I just don’t see any scenario, where turning down more money improves them. Again, voting no will not suddenly lead to RM offering any change to the policies they will impose, with or without union support. If voting no leads to more strikes, how will that improve the situation? I’m honestly interested to hear your opinion, because nearly a year of industrial action has not suddenly forced RM to abandon their changes to sick pay etc, that were there at the very beginning.

[mmalecki88]

I am voting YES and I am going to moan as well

You already know how to vote without knowing offer

[seaside]

Inflation just out today, still above 10% and food inflation went up to over 19%.

[Burghboy]

Should be an IQ test attached to anyone planning voting yes

Maybe we should also ask those voting no what they hope to achieve by doing so? Voting no shows a complete lack of comprehension of the situation we all face.

Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership, am not saying that I’ll be voting no btw. I’ll be waiting to see the detail but that’s what a ‘no’ vote would mean to me.

I’m more interested in why you think showing distrust in the CWU improves your working conditions and pay. Why even go out on strike, up to now, if you are going to turn down a pay rise and agreement just to spite the union? It is bizarre to me. Instead of agreeing to a deal you are happy to carry on with the same pay, having change imposed on you without any extra money.

If I decide to accept/reject the deal it will be a decision made on what’s best for me my family and my personal circumstances, it will not be blindly due to it being recommended by the negotiators and certainly won’t be ‘in spite of the union’ like you’ve wrongly suggested.

“Voting no shows a lack of trust in the CWU leadership, and shows they are out of touch with the membership”

I think everyone would agree that they will be deciding based on what is best for our own circumstances, I just don’t see any scenario, where turning down more money improves them. Again, voting no will not suddenly lead to RM offering any change to the policies they will impose, with or without union support. If voting no leads to more strikes, how will that improve the situation? I’m honestly interested to hear your opinion, because nearly a year of industrial action has not suddenly forced RM to abandon their changes to sick pay etc, that were there at the very beginning.

Most of the change they want has already been forced in, if this deal gets a thumbs up from membership it suggests that most think we have got the best deal possible, if it gets a thumbs down it suggests the membership thinks the CWU have not. If we reject the deal and it means more strikes so be it. Am more than prepared to be in that position as am sure many others will be.

[priority102]

This deal will be like every other deal before it.....

Many of those voting will only be looking at the pay and lump sum (not being savvy enough to realise that the lump sum AND future pay increase will be subject to tax and NI) and accept it.

As usual, they won't pay attention to what RM WANT BACK in return in the belief that RM will never want their bit.

This is always where the deals then fall flat and Dave Ward & Co fall for it every time without fail....the pay and lump sums are paid almost immediately. But, a few weeks/months later when RM start knocking on the door want their part of the deal back (the same deal which members voted for and accepted), there is uproar amongst the workforce as they can't accept the concept of the give and take deal they accepted, and back to square one you go....dispute.

It never has, nor ever will, change.

[milly]

This deal will be like every other deal before it.....

Many of those voting will only be looking at the pay and lump sum (not being savvy enough to realise that the lump sum AND future pay increase will be subject to tax and NI) and accept it.

As usual, they won't pay attention to what RM WANT BACK in return in the belief that RM will never want their bit.

This is always where the deals then fall flat and Dave Ward & Co fall for it every time without fail....the pay and lump sums are paid almost immediately. But, a few weeks/months later when RM start knocking on the door want their part of the deal back (the same deal which members voted for and accepted), there is uproar amongst the workforce as they can't accept the concept of the give and take deal they accepted, and back to square one you go....dispute.

It never has, nor ever will, change.

You really show disdain and intimate that our colleagues are stupid if they accept the deal.
Many people will know that the deal won't be brilliant but they have to put food on the table and keep a roof over their families heads.
Quite a few on here are clamouring for a Pyrrhic victory.

[milly]

Inflation just out today, still above 10% and food inflation went up to over 19%.

It will stay elevated until the Bank of England make more people unemployed by increasing interest rates,which will cause demand destruction.

[CRIBMAD]

its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !

[milly]

its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !

Nobody is bending over, I've no idea why you have to use such extreme rhetoric.
You show a total lack of respect for our colleagues who sacrificed a lot to support this Strike.

[Post69]

What ever deal is agreed is more than likely the best deal we are going to get! And will be voted on accordingly my concern is as we all know by now how this top management think and work (we have been in dispute with them for best part of a year and it’s been consuming all our lives for that amount of time) and if it’s rejected Royal Mail won’t be asking the union what the problem is they will basically have the “f@#k you lot” you’ve had your years worth of talking it’s our way now! we give you plenty of time and your negotiators have agreed with us you’re obviously split as a union and workforce and that would mean a complete gig economy type workplace and all the rest of the s#@te they originally planned! So it will be a win win situation for them!

[Jinder]

Some proper defeatists on here, if you want to take the money then do so, but remember they’ll come for more eventually. More strikes might seem ineffective but when it affects the bottom line for the coming year serious questions will be asked from the board and heads will roll. Shareholders will only take so much before they demand a return on their investment

[thebigone]

No deal

[aiden01]

its so depressing the amount of people on here that cant wait to bend over and take whatever RM want to give them , i would say grow a pair but that's never going to happen. R.I.P. posties jobs as we know it , spineless !

Are you the same person who only recently asked how to get ihr..bit spineless that would you not think assuming you are not ill.why would people need to grow a pair i'm sure most of them have been on strike an what has it acheived after nearly a year of talks.people just want a deal.