Negotiators agreement reached

[rambo1]

24 minutes per day extra, plus 30 minute flexibility sounds crap.

Why are you going to be working 24 mins a day extra

Well we would be working 24 minutes extra per day in the winter months with the seasonal variation part of the agreement

Like we work an hr extra on a Wednesday compared to a Tuesday now. How about you balance your argument with ' and then in summer we'll be working 24 mins a day LESS '. Honestly some people

Its not my argument. Im just answering your question. You asked it like the seasonal variation wasnt happening at all.

You could have just replied to the other poster ''thats true in the winter but we will be working 24 minutes less in the summer'' rather than acting oblivious

Sorry.

[postieblueshirt]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

Just to clear up confusion lol it was filthybloke
that wrote that part I just didn't want to quote the other half a page that went with it....like I said I'm not fussed about the money lost due to strikes I missed a fair few with days off and holidays and the extra time off at Christmas was the best Christmas I've had in 28 years.

[guardianangel]

Here we go its UNISON time.

You’ll probably find unison (when you phone them to join) will direct you to the union you’re already in! Unison are a union for care workers, nurses teaching assistants, and general nhs workers not whining postal workers that’s never going to be happy with any deal that’s in front of them!

You just didn't get the sarcasm ,it meant sell out like unison,jeez some people lol

[stan_lers]

The February strikes by function were challenged by RM and stopped due to CWU not able to give a definitive count of how many would be involved from each function

All the ones before that were ''everyone out together''

Pretty surprised you didnt know that tbh it was pretty big news when the Feb ones were cancelled and the reasons why

Thought this was the case in November

The Communication Workers Union (CWU) has notified us they plan to call on their members who collect, sort, distribute and deliver parcels and letters to take strike action over the following six dates in November 2022:

Wednesday 2 November
Thursday 3 November
Friday 4 November
Tuesday 8 November
Wednesday 9 November
Thursday 10 November
The planned strikes involve CWU members in different areas of our organisation, with each area taking strike action on different days.

Those were all cancelled

The February strikes were cancelled because they mentioned revisions in the strike notice, but revisions weren't mentioned in the ballot. RM waited until it was too late to issue another notice before challenging, meaning no strikes could take place as the 6 months were up.

The strikes based on function were last autumn and were all called off, leaving only combined days with everyone out.

[Acca Dacca]

The February strikes by function were challenged by RM and stopped due to CWU not able to give a definitive count of how many would be involved from each function

All the ones before that were ''everyone out together''

Pretty surprised you didnt know that tbh it was pretty big news when the Feb ones were cancelled and the reasons why

Thought this was the case in November

The Communication Workers Union (CWU) has notified us they plan to call on their members who collect, sort, distribute and deliver parcels and letters to take strike action over the following six dates in November 2022:

Wednesday 2 November
Thursday 3 November
Friday 4 November
Tuesday 8 November
Wednesday 9 November
Thursday 10 November
The planned strikes involve CWU members in different areas of our organisation, with each area taking strike action on different days.

Those were all cancelled

The February strikes were cancelled because they mentioned revisions in the strike notice, but revisions weren't mentioned in the ballot. RM waited until it was too late to issue another notice before challenging, meaning no strikes could take place as the 6 months were up.

The strikes based on function were last autumn and were all called off, leaving only combined days with everyone out.

You are right, Andy Furey had said something about the rolling strikes being impossible because RM were wanting the figures for each function and the union didnt have the exact number - that must have been the November strikes that were cancelled im thinking of. I guess that shows how easy it is to lose track so I really shouldnt be surprised at foxel after all.

[FilthyBloke]

My concern is any new starters, which was a red line.

If they allow that to continue, then that will be the Pandora's box end game

Hey up Filthy Len/Keith - have you had a good weekend?

Read anymore George Orwell?

Great to see you adding your two penneth with more important info

Anyone who says you’re a banter account needs their bumps feeling

You’re the most clued up poster on here

Had a great weekend thanks. Even better now a deal is close.
George Orwell? No. Not read him in a long time.
And thanks for you kind words. But it’s a good job you are in a union as I can tell by your constant attempts at goading and insults that you are a little bit simple and probably need the union rep to help you go to the toilet.

[FilthyBloke]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

Just to clear up confusion lol it was filthybloke
that wrote that part I just didn't want to quote the other half a page that went with it....like I said I'm not fussed about the money lost due to strikes I missed a fair few with days off and holidays and the extra time off at Christmas was the best Christmas I've had in 28 years.

Well it’s 17 days of work plus any overtime or SA you might do plus the annual leave that was threatened to be taken off your next years allowance.

Anyway, the deal is here now. We will see if it’s worth it when it’s available to look at.

[postslippete]

As usual, the job on delivery will get significantly worse - and it is already in a pretty bad place.

I appreciate that employees prioritise pay, but how much farther are we expected to push as normal men and women just trying to do a job?

The long-term absentees at our place have seen their bodies knackered out by the job, and whatever agreement comes out, we know that any and all of the concessions are going to make the job on delivery even worse.

Maybe those of us like myself who say these things will be described as moaners, and while that is probably true, I know that I’m not an athlete. Once again an agreement will be signed that will ensure we have to work harder for longer, and with less recourse when it inevitably gets to be too much.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend the job that highly to anybody even now - the £1 or £2 an hour you make more over other unskilled jobs will be worth very little to you for the years of mobility you will lose in later life, and the tiredness you will feel later on each and every week.

This is becoming a job that will see a churn of people due to the crazy demands on the body on delivery, and I’d really like to see some more imaginative duty patterns to reflect this rather than another bang average pay deal that will be celebrated, even though it will take years to even break even on how much we lost due to striking.

So yeah, rant over. Glad that the dispute is coming to an end, but the devil won’t be in the detail, it will be on delivery.

Yeah, good point and one that I've been making for months

I'm not that fussed about the pay increase as imho it will be paltry in comparison to what we will be giving back in return. Most offices have had revisions and bigger rounds forced on them due to fewer posties, so the CWU should be calling for a SWW. It's not going to prevent the later finishes but the Union must know that most of their workforce are ageing and if we are doing more outdoor work, surely there should be more recovery time as well, otherwise staff are going to go on sick absence.

And talking of sick absence. Royal Mail are deliberately attacking the symptoms and not the causes like crap working conditions or rogue managers. They basically want staff to do bigger duties and work harder and faster for less via performance monitoring and take away any privileged sick pay that we used to get. And yet the company still have annualised working hours on their list of proposals!

Why do I get the feeling that this proposed deal is going to be sh*te??

[aiden01]

Here we go its UNISON time.

You’ll probably find unison (when you phone them to join) will direct you to the union you’re already in! Unison are a union for care workers, nurses teaching assistants, and general nhs workers not whining postal workers that’s never going to be happy with any deal that’s in front of them!

You just didn't get the sarcasm ,it meant sell out like unison,jeez some people lol

So its a sell out if union agree a deal fs remember its the members who decide whether to accept deal.

[Cedar_Room]

My concern is any new starters, which was a red line.

If they allow that to continue, then that will be the Pandora's box end game

Hey up Filthy Len/Keith - have you had a good weekend?

Read anymore George Orwell?

Great to see you adding your two penneth with more important info

Anyone who says you’re a banter account needs their bumps feeling

You’re the most clued up poster on here

Had a great weekend thanks. Even better now a deal is close.
George Orwell? No. Not read him in a long time.
And thanks for you kind words. But it’s a good job you are in a union as I can tell by your constant attempts at goading and insults that you are a little bit simple and probably need the union rep to help you go to the toilet.

Filthy Len/Keith you replied via the wrong alias you fine,fellow

Don’t want people thinking you’re a sock puppet account that’s only here for the banter,do we?

Don’t worry - I don’t think anyone noticed

Looking forward to more top class important information as the day rolls on - have a good one Filthy Len/Keith

[HTPostman]

As usual, the job on delivery will get significantly worse - and it is already in a pretty bad place.

I appreciate that employees prioritise pay, but how much farther are we expected to push as normal men and women just trying to do a job?

The long-term absentees at our place have seen their bodies knackered out by the job, and whatever agreement comes out, we know that any and all of the concessions are going to make the job on delivery even worse.

Maybe those of us like myself who say these things will be described as moaners, and while that is probably true, I know that I’m not an athlete. Once again an agreement will be signed that will ensure we have to work harder for longer, and with less recourse when it inevitably gets to be too much.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend the job that highly to anybody even now - the £1 or £2 an hour you make more over other unskilled jobs will be worth very little to you for the years of mobility you will lose in later life, and the tiredness you will feel later on each and every week.

This is becoming a job that will see a churn of people due to the crazy demands on the body on delivery, and I’d really like to see some more imaginative duty patterns to reflect this rather than another bang average pay deal that will be celebrated, even though it will take years to even break even on how much we lost due to striking.

So yeah, rant over. Glad that the dispute is coming to an end, but the devil won’t be in the detail, it will be on delivery.

Yeah, good point and one that I've been making for months

Fully agree with you both. On the subject of duty patterns I’d settle for them leaving my 4 day week (for 4 days pay, before anyone gets excited) well alone and not constantly threaten to remove it from me.

[Foxel]

My concern is any new starters, which was a red line.

If they allow that to continue, then that will be the Pandora's box end game

Hey up Filthy Len/Keith - have you had a good weekend?

Read anymore George Orwell?

Great to see you adding your two penneth with more important info

Anyone who says you’re a banter account needs their bumps feeling

You’re the most clued up poster on here

Had a great weekend thanks. Even better now a deal is close.
George Orwell? No. Not read him in a long time.
And thanks for you kind words. But it’s a good job you are in a union as I can tell by your constant attempts at goading and insults that you are a little bit simple and probably need the union rep to help you go to the toilet.

Filthy Len/Keith you replied via the wrong alias you fine,fellow

Don’t want people thinking you’re a sock puppet account that’s only here for the banter,do we?

Don’t worry - I don’t think anyone noticed

Looking forward to more top class important information as the day rolls on - have a good one Filthy Len/Keith

[Bosley]

Lets hope the union endorse the 6 percent rise and lower lump sum to many short sighted posties not letting there brains kick in

100%

[Bosley]

Lets hope the union endorse the 6 percent rise and lower lump sum to many short sighted posties not letting there brains kick in

100%

[norris9]

even though it will take years to even break even on how much we lost due to striking.

So many people view the strikes as 'lost money'....

You didn't work those days. It's not like you worked and didn't get paid. You had a day off - yeah you might have gone down the picket line for a bit, but for most of the day you had time off from this strenuous job.

All you have to do is work some of your annual leave and you will get that 'lost' money back.