Negotiators agreement reached

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Whatever the deal is, guaranteed it will get voted through. Once the union endorses a deal, ppl will vote for it.

I would give this advice, if you really hate what’s in the deal and it gets voted through, there’s only two choices: to leave or quietly quit your job. Quietly quitting is well below doing your job correctly, it’s offering the minimum effort possible without violating your contract.

[mjd24]

Lets hope the union endorse the 6 percent rise and lower lump sum to many short sighted posties not letting there brains kick in

*too many
*their brains

[hfcbkk1875]

So let me get this right ...as far I can see there is no details been released yet and won't be until the exc vote it through .

But some folks think they know what's coming and monthly salary folks saying RM haven't budge one bit

Looks to me if no fecker knows nowt and are just stirring the pot.

Enjoy your weekend folks and let's wait until the details are fully released middle of next week .

If its shite like the supposed last deal10% which is actually only just above 6% then be prepared to vote no .
if it's a different deal then let's read the detail and still be prepared to vote no. Remember it's a 2 year deal and not the 3year deal both parties would have you believe .as 2%was imposed so nothing to negotiate their .
Happy weekend to one and all apart from the monthly salary folks, I hope your weekend is shite

[Mick100]

Well I’ll be taking home nearly £500 a week theirs a lot worse out there it’s a yes from me we know more or less the changes

[zz666]

24 minutes per day extra, plus 30 minute flexibility sounds crap.

[mags999]

500 quid a week take home pay your obviously not a a proper postman

[DGH]

24 minutes per day extra, plus 30 minute flexibility sounds crap.

24 minutes extra delivery and 30 minutes compulsory flex is absolutely s**t. Longer days in winter will see delivery spans of 6 hours when the managers invoke 'flex'. Deliveries done mainly on foot will be brutal. There's also the fact that if finish times are 4.30, then you'll have to allow that you may well not finish until 5 because you won't know whether you'll be required to 'flex' or not.

If the union have given in on this, I hope we see those of them on permanent release actually doing some of these deliveries in winter for an extended period.

My one hope is that the union will have got royal mail to rationalise contracts within offices so that those who are on part-time contracts can be made full time if they desire, and vice versa. In my office a lot of the older full timers want to go part time, and most of the part time staff are desperate for full time contracts. But managers won't accommodate requests to swap contracts or similar. It's daft (unless of course, as it probably is, it's deliberate and designed to facilitate running offices by overtime rather than proper contracts and to discourage senior staff from staying on).

[postieblueshirt]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….
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Just depends on your outlook I got circa 13 days extra annual leave and an extended Christmas

[GlassDoor]

just wondering if all the strikebreakers (you know who you are) will give their £1500 lump sum to a charity, as you really don't deserve to be rewarded from your colleagues dedication to the cause !

No. Because if it wasn’t for people like you I would have had a bigger pay rise last time.
I deserve every penny of this.

You think Royal Mail would have given us a better pay rise out the goodness of their heart if we hadn’t of striked?
Wow.

This was their original deal… (pasted from this forum.)

Royal Mails pay offer is 3.5%.

An initial 2% with a further 1.5% with strings attached with the potential of a £500 lump sum payment with even more strings.

The strings attached include:
-later start and finish times on delivery to link in with LAT arrivals.
-removal of allowances
-new starters terms, pay and conditions will be significantly less than the current workforce
-flexible hours. Meaning members will be forced to work more in busy times and less during quiet.
-the reduction of sick pay
-further unachievable productivity targets

…………

So tell me where RM have backed down? Not much, right?
The pay deal in October was also turned down. That was an increase on 3.5%

Now we have 8% over, effectively 3 years with a £500 or £1500 lump sum but you guys have sacrificed £2500 in wages to get it.

RM got exactly what they wanted. The union didn’t. Remember they described the original changes as ‘derisory’.

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

It’s 8% plus a lump sum over 2 years not 3. If you want to include last years 2% then it’s 10% over 3 years plus a lump sum.
The 1500 is about 5% the 500 is about 1.7%
Percentages are very rough numbers.
Pro rata of course

[taurus88]

As usual, the job on delivery will get significantly worse - and it is already in a pretty bad place.

I appreciate that employees prioritise pay, but how much farther are we expected to push as normal men and women just trying to do a job?

The long-term absentees at our place have seen their bodies knackered out by the job, and whatever agreement comes out, we know that any and all of the concessions are going to make the job on delivery even worse.

Maybe those of us like myself who say these things will be described as moaners, and while that is probably true, I know that I’m not an athlete. Once again an agreement will be signed that will ensure we have to work harder for longer, and with less recourse when it inevitably gets to be too much.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend the job that highly to anybody even now - the £1 or £2 an hour you make more over other unskilled jobs will be worth very little to you for the years of mobility you will lose in later life, and the tiredness you will feel later on each and every week.

This is becoming a job that will see a churn of people due to the crazy demands on the body on delivery, and I’d really like to see some more imaginative duty patterns to reflect this rather than another bang average pay deal that will be celebrated, even though it will take years to even break even on how much we lost due to striking.

So yeah, rant over. Glad that the dispute is coming to an end, but the devil won’t be in the detail, it will be on delivery.

[aiden01]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

Just depends on your outlook I got circa 13 days extra annual leave and an extended Christmas
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Extra annual leave unpaid though.

[heapsy]

As usual, the job on delivery will get significantly worse - and it is already in a pretty bad place.

I appreciate that employees prioritise pay, but how much farther are we expected to push as normal men and women just trying to do a job?

The long-term absentees at our place have seen their bodies knackered out by the job, and whatever agreement comes out, we know that any and all of the concessions are going to make the job on delivery even worse.

Maybe those of us like myself who say these things will be described as moaners, and while that is probably true, I know that I’m not an athlete. Once again an agreement will be signed that will ensure we have to work harder for longer, and with less recourse when it inevitably gets to be too much.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend the job that highly to anybody even now - the £1 or £2 an hour you make more over other unskilled jobs will be worth very little to you for the years of mobility you will lose in later life, and the tiredness you will feel later on each and every week.

This is becoming a job that will see a churn of people due to the crazy demands on the body on delivery, and I’d really like to see some more imaginative duty patterns to reflect this rather than another bang average pay deal that will be celebrated, even though it will take years to even break even on how much we lost due to striking.

So yeah, rant over. Glad that the dispute is coming to an end, but the devil won’t be in the detail, it will be on delivery.

Quite right. I'm looking at getting out at 60. Not too long. The younger ones look at me as though I'm stupid or something. We'll see who's stupid. Delivery have always got the s**t end of the stick, always under the guise of "protecting jobs". Got a union rep. in our office who wont entertain 3 day weeks, he's only 50. Well I'll be retired when he's crawling round on his knees in a few years. The 5 day attendance pattern in delivery has to go, or thousands will go out the door.

[rambo1]

24 minutes per day extra, plus 30 minute flexibility sounds crap.

Why are you going to be working 24 mins a day extra

[Woody Guthrie]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

[datasaint]

You really think by continuing to Strike you are going to come out ahead after you have lost yet more money, pension contributions and annual leave.
Royal Mail have hardly flinched during this dispute and yet you think we can get them to cave in.
Many people on here are totally deluded.

A precedent has been set now though, RM have won, they know the appetite for striking is weak. They can bulldoze through changes now as they wish.

What happens next time they want to impose changes, the union is going to turn around and threaten strikes? RM will just sit it out again waiting for them to cave.

It's a bad outcome, and the power of the union has been weakened.