Some progress has been made.

[daveyeff]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

[chickenwittle]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

[postiewhite]

A lot of the damages have been done in many offices. Most of us now have duties that are far too long and more people will go on sick because of the added stress.
I don't buy into the old "You have a start and finish time" because although it's true it doesn't avoid the confrontation with the manager every single working day to tell them you will be leaving a row or two. It's also not great when the minority reply with "Well change your job then!!". A lot of us are in a position where we can't just change our job straight away due to age etc.

The Union should also insist that any executive action changes that have already happened in the last few months should be reversed.

[daveyeff]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

18 days is nowhere near a year.....its dragged on this long simply because we haven't been on strike enough.

[chickenwittle]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

18 days is nowhere near a year.....its dragged on this long simply because we haven't been on strike enough.

That’s your opinion, it’s not the opinion of lots in my office that are weary from it all and despite backing their union , want this sorted and don’t really want to strike anymore.

[chickenwittle]

A lot of the damages have been done in many offices. Most of us now have duties that are far too long and more people will go on sick because of the added stress.
I don't buy into the old "You have a start and finish time" because although it's true it doesn't avoid the confrontation with the manager every single working day to tell them you will be leaving a row or two. It's also not great when the minority reply with "Well change your job then!!". A lot of us are in a position where we can't just change our job straight away due to age etc.

The Union should also insist that any executive action changes that have already happened in the last few months should be reversed.

Things won’t be reversed but should certainly be adjusted.

[daveyeff]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

18 days is nowhere near a year.....its dragged on this long simply because we haven't been on strike enough.

That’s your opinion, it’s not the opinion of lots in my office that are weary from it all and despite backing their union , want this sorted and don’t really want to strike anymore.

It's also the opinion of many thousands of members who voted to take "strike action"

[chickenwittle]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

18 days is nowhere near a year.....its dragged on this long simply because we haven't been on strike enough.

That’s your opinion, it’s not the opinion of lots in my office that are weary from it all and despite backing their union , want this sorted and don’t really want to strike anymore.

It's also the opinion of many thousands of members who voted to take "strike action"

Again there’s a difference between a strike mandate and strike action, most would have voted to empower their union in negotiations, striking would have been a last resort which many would rather avoid.

[FilthyBloke]

The union and its members are imploding.
You only have to look at the twitter feed to see how much anger it’s members have.
Some want a good pay deal.
Some want the hours to not change.
Some want revisions to be cancelled.

This is probably the biggest dispute since I started nearly 20 years ago and the union have just been out played and out fought.

Poorly timed strikes. Cancelled strikes. Pointless one day strikes. Months and months of talking but no deal. Some members want to strike. Others don’t.

I remember months ago on this forum someone linked a piece where ST supposedly told the managers that changes should be forced now because the union isn’t at one with what they want themselves.

He was right. RM will get what they want and the union will still try to cling on to some kind of hollow victory.

I’m glad I didn’t lose wages and I’m super glad I don’t pay £3 a week for that kind of service.

[chickenwittle]

The union and its members are imploding.
You only have to look at the twitter feed to see how much anger it’s members have.
Some want a good pay deal.
Some want the hours to not change.
Some want revisions to be cancelled.

This is probably the biggest dispute since I started nearly 20 years ago and the union have just been out played and out fought.

Poorly timed strikes. Cancelled strikes. Pointless one day strikes. Months and months of talking but no deal. Some members want to strike. Others don’t.

I remember months ago on this forum someone linked a piece where ST supposedly told the managers that changes should be forced now because the union isn’t at one with what they want themselves.

He was right. RM will get what they want and the union will still try to cling on to some kind of hollow victory.

I’m glad I didn’t lose wages and I’m super glad I don’t pay £3 a week for that kind of service.

Oh look the clown has turned up.

[FilthyBloke]

The union and its members are imploding.
You only have to look at the twitter feed to see how much anger it’s members have.
Some want a good pay deal.
Some want the hours to not change.
Some want revisions to be cancelled.

This is probably the biggest dispute since I started nearly 20 years ago and the union have just been out played and out fought.

Poorly timed strikes. Cancelled strikes. Pointless one day strikes. Months and months of talking but no deal. Some members want to strike. Others don’t.

I remember months ago on this forum someone linked a piece where ST supposedly told the managers that changes should be forced now because the union isn’t at one with what they want themselves.

He was right. RM will get what they want and the union will still try to cling on to some kind of hollow victory.

I’m glad I didn’t lose wages and I’m super glad I don’t pay £3 a week for that kind of service.

Oh look the clown has turned up.

Dave ward is here?

[daveyeff]

As well as the RB board, ST & co going, the union PEC need to go as well. I don't have any faith in them anymore, they seem as useless as a chocolate teapot.

To the PEC:9

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET SOME STRIKE DATES ANNOUNCED!!!

I can only speak for my office and I can tell you , strikes will be the end of any bargaining power we have left and the union know that which is why they are holding off and trying to get a deal , we’ve done the strikes it didn’t change anything.

We don't have ANY bargaining power except for strike action. Yes they never budged at xmas but 1&2 days are useless. We need to hit them harder.

And how would that help us get a deal with a company on the verge of administration ? Pointless.

So what the hell was the point in a ballot for strike action then? Do you really think they are just going to give us a deal cos they like us? Dream on

It’s to show that the workforce back their union, a strike mandate doesn’t necessarily mean strike action, it’s a bargaining tool.

You,ve just contradicted yourself.strikes are a bargaining tool, but you say strikes will end any bargaining. They'll focus them if we strike. We won't get anything if we dont

No , calling strikes will end our bargaining power , while the threat of strikes is still there the union can still push for an agreement.Everyone has different opinions but nearly a year of strikes has done nothing but lose us money so far.

18 days is nowhere near a year.....its dragged on this long simply because we haven't been on strike enough.

That’s your opinion, it’s not the opinion of lots in my office that are weary from it all and despite backing their union , want this sorted and don’t really want to strike anymore.

It's also the opinion of many thousands of members who voted to take "strike action"

Again there’s a difference between a strike mandate and strike action, most would have voted to empower their union in negotiations, striking would have been a last resort which many would rather avoid.

Striking is ALWAYS a last resort, but needs must when the devil drives. Many are also up for it.

[needadvice]

The focus now has to be around the 3rd ballot and Christmas strikes. CWU should Set the stall out in September and say to RM, if we don't get an acceptable agreement, it'll be an all out strike for all of December

[daveyeff]

Ignore him. He's trolling ( not you chickenwhittle)

[chickenwittle]

The union and its members are imploding.
You only have to look at the twitter feed to see how much anger it’s members have.
Some want a good pay deal.
Some want the hours to not change.
Some want revisions to be cancelled.

This is probably the biggest dispute since I started nearly 20 years ago and the union have just been out played and out fought.

Poorly timed strikes. Cancelled strikes. Pointless one day strikes. Months and months of talking but no deal. Some members want to strike. Others don’t.

I remember months ago on this forum someone linked a piece where ST supposedly told the managers that changes should be forced now because the union isn’t at one with what they want themselves.

He was right. RM will get what they want and the union will still try to cling on to some kind of hollow victory.

I’m glad I didn’t lose wages and I’m super glad I don’t pay £3 a week for that kind of service.

Oh look the clown has turned up.

Dave ward is here?

Strike breaker and non union member comes on to preach to his work colleagues and expects to be taken seriously.