Thompson - New agreement sent to CWU

[HTPostman]

An evil, cruel, slimy creature determined to steal every bit of kindness and goodwill from those it looks down on from its lofty abode. It’s heart is definitely 3 sizes too small and I wouldn’t touch it with a 39.5 foot pole.

But enough about Simon.....

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[scotchy1962]

Thompson is currently losing his mind at a mock up poster of him as the Grinch on Workplace, asking how it helps to get a deal.

I'm really not sure how this guy is the CEO, shouldn't being able to take (or more specifically, ignore) a bit of stick be a key requirement for someone in such an important role?

Is that true? Good grief, rise above it man!!

He's trying to get the sympathy vote, making out he's all offended by said picture but still not apologetic for his deal or no deal one yesterday. Personally i believe as a CEO that he really should rise above it but he can't help himself, that little 6yr old child in him just thinks its a opportunity to grab some sympathy with the woke brigade. Narcissistic and stupid a killer combination. He has taken the job as figure head for this company and the flak that comes with it, bit rich to complain when you actually get some flak, considering his behaviour hes got off lightly i would say. Look we all know we need a agreement to put this all behind us and get on with what we do best, but unless somebody can see something in all Simons statements over the last while that i havent seen i suspect theres no good outcome to this process while hes in charge, he has said so many things that he cant go back on without compromising himself that hes backed himself into a corner with nowhere to go except all-in. Thats the reason we have to hold out and rid ourselves of this numpty and then move onto the next numptywith a open mind.

[rambo1]

I'm hoping for VR, but as I say, our office wouldn't see much changes to what it's doing now.

What do think of the NEW VR terms?

Like most Posties I've looked at them out of curiosity ...... Mine's been reduced by about 2/3rds .... Not enough to Retire on.

I think if you're a Senior OPG you'll be less likely to get VR, they'll go for the cheapest option and let those with less service go first.

Depends what you want from your VR? What your personal circumstances are. If you have another job you'd prefer in the pipeline then £1k would be a bonus but on the other hand if you have done a lot of time at RM and seen your long service colleagues go a few yrs ago with £40k+ you're gonna feel cheated. Even £40k is not enough to retire on under general circumstances, it's probably less than a couple of yrs expenses for a couple in a small house going on holiday twice a yr and never eating out. (Personally speaking). With the sweetener the current terms are better than the statutory redundancy terms. Nobody will be compulsory redundant this time at least. There's gonna be more than enough numbers.

[rambo1]

Yes i have checked that's why i voted to strike.

Yeah, and some of the times are extreme. I get it, it's not practical to expect 11:30 as a starting time. With the potential for annualised hours on top of that. People are not in a position to accept that, those are just not acceptable.

There are only a handful of extreme cases though, and those should be mitigated as much as possible.

The vast majority of new start times are between 8 and 9am. Is that something people can't adjust to? The feedback in my office and other's in the area, all with start times between 8-9 was "that's not so bad".

It will be bad when they are delivering mail at 5pm in winter in the rain. If the finish times are unaffected then sure crack on with later starts… Under ST’s regime any overtime will have to be done in the morning before start of shift to clear yesterdays bags and LATs as no one will be wanting to stay out all night.

I guess it comes down to what you're doing now. Our office times won't change much. Rural FT duty finish times have been between 3 and 4.15pm for over 2 yrs now. Most can't complete in time, so they already are working in the dark in winter. It really isn't as big a problem as you first might think. A good head torch on and it's not much different. Kids are home from school so you get rid of more pkts. People moaning because they won't be able to pick their kids up from school? Don't know how they do now, they finish before we do now. If people are moaning about having to start at 8 or 9am FT or 9-10am PT well, we've got used to changes before. You just have to adapt and be 'glass half full' and look at the ways you can turn it to your advantage. Human beings are brilliant at adapting , you just have look for the plus points for you and not dwell on the negatives. Sunday pkts are a breeze and something I enjoy as a change from the usual grind. Annualized hrs would pxxs some people off that get flyers in summer and do overtime in winter but only for financial reasons because they actually work those hrs now, they just get away with it in summer and get paid for it in winter with overtime. How would they feel if they were the ones running a business? These changes aren't such a big deal if you look at the big picture and open your eyes. Don't know how they'd work annual leave around annualized hrs, not seen anything on that yet.
Sick leave proposals will not be good, personally I think it will drive people who are better after 3 days to just take the whole week. However people have got to realize sick leave is not the law, it's a perk and one which has been abused by many, which is probably one reason it's being tightened up. I think sometimes people get on their high horse about changes before they've actually taken a step back and really looked into how it could advantage them.
Just my opinion.
I'm hoping for VR, but as I say, our office wouldn't see much changes to what it's doing now.

I don’t know where to start with this , I’m sure that’s posted by Simon or one of his cronies.

Might have known it would get that reaction. There's no hope for you if you don't have an open mind. We could all die tomorrow, you really have to embrace your life and make the best of any situation and also realise nothing stays the same and nobody owes you a living. You make what you want from your life, you only have one and it's too short. No I'm not a manager, never have been. Never will be. Im too over qualified and kind for that role at royal mail.

I've taken a step back and still don't like it mainly its about the pay and sickness for me,our wage is slowly decreasing towards minimum wage and i can assure you i wont be walking in the s**t weather for those wages.

We've all gotta make that choice. Personally a couple of £/hr less to work in a supermarket (Sundays included) would hold no appeal to me. Just as an example of an alternative. I like being outdoors too much, indoor work would drive me crazy.

The fact you say look for the plus points and see the advantages of this deal is staggering to me , can you point them out to me ?

Later starts. More of a lie in in the morning, or time to do other stuff like take the kids to school rather than pick them up?
More money, there WILL be a pay increase. Before you say anything, NOBODY is getting rises close to inflation that I have heard of.
Working a few Sundays, it's a darn site easier day driving pkts around than walking the streets. Plus you get two days off in the week when most others are at work, great for supermarket shopping.
The duty patterns may even give you 2 days in a row off, better than the 1/6.
Sick pay, yes it's not what we are used to, but if you're not sick it's just the same and as I said, not every company pays full sick pay.
Nobody is going to lose their job unless they want to go. So you will still have a job.
Annualized hrs, if we can still finish on our time (if we can't, that's a big no from me, I'd never vote for that) could work in your advantage in summer, if it's busy, nice weather, work to time and get off home earlier. Like I said the people who will be pissed off are the ones making time in summer and claiming in winter. They have even contrbuted to the idea even coming round.
There are so many negative people on here who just want things the way they always have been plus more money. They are living with blinkers on.

[Alanjm75]

He is at CWU Hq today?

[Slim2none]

It's for sale so maybe he's just eyeing it up as the new Thompson towers!

[the beautiful bd south]

He is at CWU Hq today?

Probably asking Dave if he can ask members to stop making posters of him as it hurts his feelings.

[aiden01]

He is at CWU Hq today?

Source??

[chickenwittle]

Yes i have checked that's why i voted to strike.

Yeah, and some of the times are extreme. I get it, it's not practical to expect 11:30 as a starting time. With the potential for annualised hours on top of that. People are not in a position to accept that, those are just not acceptable.

There are only a handful of extreme cases though, and those should be mitigated as much as possible.

The vast majority of new start times are between 8 and 9am. Is that something people can't adjust to? The feedback in my office and other's in the area, all with start times between 8-9 was "that's not so bad".

It will be bad when they are delivering mail at 5pm in winter in the rain. If the finish times are unaffected then sure crack on with later starts… Under ST’s regime any overtime will have to be done in the morning before start of shift to clear yesterdays bags and LATs as no one will be wanting to stay out all night.

I guess it comes down to what you're doing now. Our office times won't change much. Rural FT duty finish times have been between 3 and 4.15pm for over 2 yrs now. Most can't complete in time, so they already are working in the dark in winter. It really isn't as big a problem as you first might think. A good head torch on and it's not much different. Kids are home from school so you get rid of more pkts. People moaning because they won't be able to pick their kids up from school? Don't know how they do now, they finish before we do now. If people are moaning about having to start at 8 or 9am FT or 9-10am PT well, we've got used to changes before. You just have to adapt and be 'glass half full' and look at the ways you can turn it to your advantage. Human beings are brilliant at adapting , you just have look for the plus points for you and not dwell on the negatives. Sunday pkts are a breeze and something I enjoy as a change from the usual grind. Annualized hrs would pxxs some people off that get flyers in summer and do overtime in winter but only for financial reasons because they actually work those hrs now, they just get away with it in summer and get paid for it in winter with overtime. How would they feel if they were the ones running a business? These changes aren't such a big deal if you look at the big picture and open your eyes. Don't know how they'd work annual leave around annualized hrs, not seen anything on that yet.
Sick leave proposals will not be good, personally I think it will drive people who are better after 3 days to just take the whole week. However people have got to realize sick leave is not the law, it's a perk and one which has been abused by many, which is probably one reason it's being tightened up. I think sometimes people get on their high horse about changes before they've actually taken a step back and really looked into how it could advantage them.
Just my opinion.
I'm hoping for VR, but as I say, our office wouldn't see much changes to what it's doing now.

I don’t know where to start with this , I’m sure that’s posted by Simon or one of his cronies.

Might have known it would get that reaction. There's no hope for you if you don't have an open mind. We could all die tomorrow, you really have to embrace your life and make the best of any situation and also realise nothing stays the same and nobody owes you a living. You make what you want from your life, you only have one and it's too short. No I'm not a manager, never have been. Never will be. Im too over qualified and kind for that role at royal mail.

I've taken a step back and still don't like it mainly its about the pay and sickness for me,our wage is slowly decreasing towards minimum wage and i can assure you i wont be walking in the s**t weather for those wages.

We've all gotta make that choice. Personally a couple of £/hr less to work in a supermarket (Sundays included) would hold no appeal to me. Just as an example of an alternative. I like being outdoors too much, indoor work would drive me crazy.

The fact you say look for the plus points and see the advantages of this deal is staggering to me , can you point them out to me ?

Later starts. More of a lie in in the morning, or time to do other stuff like take the kids to school rather than pick them up?
More money, there WILL be a pay increase. Before you say anything, NOBODY is getting rises close to inflation that I have heard of.
Working a few Sundays, it's a darn site easier day driving pkts around than walking the streets. Plus you get two days off in the week when most others are at work, great for supermarket shopping.
The duty patterns may even give you 2 days in a row off, better than the 1/6.
Sick pay, yes it's not what we are used to, but if you're not sick it's just the same and as I said, not every company pays full sick pay.
Nobody is going to lose their job unless they want to go. So you will still have a job.
Annualized hrs, if we can still finish on our time (if we can't, that's a big no from me, I'd never vote for that) could work in your advantage in summer, if it's busy, nice weather, work to time and get off home earlier. Like I said the people who will be pissed off are the ones making time in summer and claiming in winter. They have even contrbuted to the idea even coming round.
There are so many negative people on here who just want things the way they always have been plus more money. They are living with blinkers on.

I’m sure your a plant , your the only poster on here trying to sell this deal , give up your kidding nobody.

[Frankie15]

No wonder we don't have a scooby doo with what is going on with all the s**t talk rumours that continuously contradict each others points!!!

[the beautiful bd south]

I’m sure your a plant , your the only poster on here trying to sell this deal , give up your kidding nobody.


Nobody outside the union tob bods has actually seen the deal on offer have they?

[srilfc2013]

" Later starts. More of a lie in in the morning, or time to do other stuff like take the kids to school rather than pick them up?"

I can't even have a lie in on my day off. My body clock wakes me up early and I struggle to get back to sleep. So that's a definite no for me

[aiden01]

Yes i have checked that's why i voted to strike.

Yeah, and some of the times are extreme. I get it, it's not practical to expect 11:30 as a starting time. With the potential for annualised hours on top of that. People are not in a position to accept that, those are just not acceptable.

There are only a handful of extreme cases though, and those should be mitigated as much as possible.

The vast majority of new start times are between 8 and 9am. Is that something people can't adjust to? The feedback in my office and other's in the area, all with start times between 8-9 was "that's not so bad".

It will be bad when they are delivering mail at 5pm in winter in the rain. If the finish times are unaffected then sure crack on with later starts… Under ST’s regime any overtime will have to be done in the morning before start of shift to clear yesterdays bags and LATs as no one will be wanting to stay out all night.

I guess it comes down to what you're doing now. Our office times won't change much. Rural FT duty finish times have been between 3 and 4.15pm for over 2 yrs now. Most can't complete in time, so they already are working in the dark in winter. It really isn't as big a problem as you first might think. A good head torch on and it's not much different. Kids are home from school so you get rid of more pkts. People moaning because they won't be able to pick their kids up from school? Don't know how they do now, they finish before we do now. If people are moaning about having to start at 8 or 9am FT or 9-10am PT well, we've got used to changes before. You just have to adapt and be 'glass half full' and look at the ways you can turn it to your advantage. Human beings are brilliant at adapting , you just have look for the plus points for you and not dwell on the negatives. Sunday pkts are a breeze and something I enjoy as a change from the usual grind. Annualized hrs would pxxs some people off that get flyers in summer and do overtime in winter but only for financial reasons because they actually work those hrs now, they just get away with it in summer and get paid for it in winter with overtime. How would they feel if they were the ones running a business? These changes aren't such a big deal if you look at the big picture and open your eyes. Don't know how they'd work annual leave around annualized hrs, not seen anything on that yet.
Sick leave proposals will not be good, personally I think it will drive people who are better after 3 days to just take the whole week. However people have got to realize sick leave is not the law, it's a perk and one which has been abused by many, which is probably one reason it's being tightened up. I think sometimes people get on their high horse about changes before they've actually taken a step back and really looked into how it could advantage them.
Just my opinion.
I'm hoping for VR, but as I say, our office wouldn't see much changes to what it's doing now.

I don’t know where to start with this , I’m sure that’s posted by Simon or one of his cronies.

Might have known it would get that reaction. There's no hope for you if you don't have an open mind. We could all die tomorrow, you really have to embrace your life and make the best of any situation and also realise nothing stays the same and nobody owes you a living. You make what you want from your life, you only have one and it's too short. No I'm not a manager, never have been. Never will be. Im too over qualified and kind for that role at royal mail.

I've taken a step back and still don't like it mainly its about the pay and sickness for me,our wage is slowly decreasing towards minimum wage and i can assure you i wont be walking in the s**t weather for those wages.

We've all gotta make that choice. Personally a couple of £/hr less to work in a supermarket (Sundays included) would hold no appeal to me. Just as an example of an alternative. I like being outdoors too much, indoor work would drive me crazy.

The fact you say look for the plus points and see the advantages of this deal is staggering to me , can you point them out to me ?

Later starts. More of a lie in in the morning, or time to do other stuff like take the kids to school rather than pick them up?
More money, there WILL be a pay increase. Before you say anything, NOBODY is getting rises close to inflation that I have heard of.
Working a few Sundays, it's a darn site easier day driving pkts around than walking the streets. Plus you get two days off in the week when most others are at work, great for supermarket shopping.
The duty patterns may even give you 2 days in a row off, better than the 1/6.
Sick pay, yes it's not what we are used to, but if you're not sick it's just the same and as I said, not every company pays full sick pay.
Nobody is going to lose their job unless they want to go. So you will still have a job.
Annualized hrs, if we can still finish on our time (if we can't, that's a big no from me, I'd never vote for that) could work in your advantage in summer, if it's busy, nice weather, work to time and get off home earlier. Like I said the people who will be pissed off are the ones making time in summer and claiming in winter. They have even contrbuted to the idea even coming round.
There are so many negative people on here who just want things the way they always have been plus more money. They are living with blinkers on.

I’m sure your a plant , your the only poster on here trying to sell this deal , give up your kidding nobody.

Guy has been on here 9 years ffs how is he a plant...you would be very surprised how many people would agree with him. never ever seen so many people saying in my mc f--k union going in next week.. and no i will not be one of them rather die tomoro than cross a picket line.

[Alanjm75]

He is at CWU Hq today?

Source??

He said it himself. He was feeling curious at 150 THE Broadway, Wimbledon, on the Grinch post

[britwrit]

He is at CWU Hq today?

Source??

He said it himself. He was feeling curious at 150 THE Broadway, Wimbledon, on the Grinch post

The idea that they're spending any time at all talking about this (most likely) is dark comedy at its finest. ("Look, Dave... Look, here... This is really, really unfair....")