Payrise

[2yearpostie]

Its. Assault. I kinda apologise but we are in a battle for our t and cs where does it end? Lets for once stick up for ourselves.

I get it, but ideology dont pay the rent.

You are the one who says you are happy to forego a payrise and accept what amounts to a pay DROP in order for nothing to change

You are a stooge or a troll or both

No darling im realistic to where the country currently is.All thats going to happen otherwise is a zimbabwe type situation where a loaf bread costs a million pounds and you just have to keep putting 00's on peoples payslips.

[Acca Dacca]

You are arguing with yourself - you are saying that a lot of younger posties cant afford to strike as they are living week to week and then you are saying that this job pays well. So which is it? If its so well paying then why cant the younger posties make any savings?

Or could it be that the cost of living crisis means that it ISNT so well paid now,enough to I dont know maybe make some savings for a rainy day.....?

Something that an inflation beating payrise could help combat perhaps.....

Nah 2yearpostie is happy with what we have ( even though he says most of us cant afford to lose a few days pay )

It pays well if we get paid.if we strike we dont get paid. you cant pay the rent if you dont get paid. No people generally dont get savings unless your uber skilled and get a job paying over 30k. As nice as it would be to get 30k to put paper through holes in the door its never going to happen.

Thatcher's dream right here

[greengiant]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Surely it depends on the form of sickness? I can't see anyone going in with a broken leg, or recovering from surgery, even if not paid sick pay..

[Chelseablue]

You put a little aside for any strikes , are you happy with they way our company has been run in last few years? Hard to stomach if youve been in the job a lot of years.

[2yearpostie]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Surely it depends on the form of sickness? I can't see anyone going in with a broken leg, or recovering from surgery, even if not paid sick pay..

Well obviously if you could prove you were ill it would be different.

[2yearpostie]

You put a little aside for any strikes , are you happy with they way our company has been run in last few years? Hard to stomach if youve been in the job a lot of years.

ive worked in factories for as little as £6 in my time (when it was legal) ive worked an awful lot harder for a lot less money than a postie does now.

[aiden01]

You put a little aside for any strikes , are you happy with they way our company has been run in last few years? Hard to stomach if youve been in the job a lot of years.

ive worked in factories for as little as £6 in my time (when it was legal) ive worked an awful lot harder for a lot less money than a postie does now.

My 1st job was a fiver a day now if its so easy to do the job just do some o/t covers ur strike days. Ohh sorry forgot you will be working while the rest of us live on Sausage Chips An Beans.

[daveyeff]

Ignore him.......
Re Covid problems...

i live-in with my 70yr old parents one of which has copd, how the hell do i juggle this one?

your point?

i think his point is the contradiction in your posts. i.e. taking shite.

[aiden01]

Ignore him.......
Re Covid problems...

i live-in with my 70yr old parents one of which has copd, how the hell do i juggle this one?

your point?

i think his point is the contradiction in your posts. i.e. taking shite.

Said that earlier he really does post some shite..

[blacov]

You put a little aside for any strikes , are you happy with they way our company has been run in last few years? Hard to stomach if youve been in the job a lot of years.

ive worked in factories for as little as £6 in my time (when it was legal) ive worked an awful lot harder for a lot less money than a postie does now.

2yearpostie you can't be saying we are well paid and at the same time claim young posties live pay check to pay check. Some young posties are living quite well and are very concerned about their future. Job is getting harder and the wages go ever so slightly shorter. If don't get appropriate pay rise now it will accelerate the race towards the minimum wage. Before you realise we will be near the minimum wage with broken bodies if we keep accepting 1-2% pay rises and eroding t&c's.

I can assure you that before you realise you will be next to minimum wage and there will be a lot more unskilled jobs paying similar money but requiring very little energy in comparison to what we will be required to do. If you can't strike as you have no savings, what does it say about the pay? Maybe it is your inability to manage finances or maybe the pay isn[t so good after all. Maybe both? Either way people like you, with similar mindset make it very hard for cwu to fight our corner, to get us better conditions and pay as you are willing to bend to royal mail and you are already waving white flag.

[greengiant]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

But were you not advocating losing the first 3 days of sick pay? Those struggling and living hand to mouth (especially those on the lower hour contracts) who have to take time off due to illness would really be on the breadline.

Simple you have a choice not to strike, you dont have a choice if your ill and like many other industries you still go in if you ill if you need to get paid. I did it pre my royal days. No one is off 'sick' if you dont get paid believe me.

Surely it depends on the form of sickness? I can't see anyone going in with a broken leg, or recovering from surgery, even if not paid sick pay..

Well obviously if you could prove you were ill it would be different.

So you would have to prove your illness was genuine, otherwise you'd lose first three days sick pay? Who decides what is "genuine"What about those that need regular medical treatment (covered by disability discrimination act), which may mean a few days off to recover. Should they miss out on 3 days sick pay?

Suppose RM take away the first three days sick pay for everyone. Would you then be happy that they then take away first 7 days sick pay? Then first month?
Before you know it they'll take away all sick pay, (which they have done partially for our newer colleagues, who do not get sick pay until they have been working a year). You would be happy with that?

[Acca Dacca]

Wait, so this clown is happy for RM to remove first three days sick pay but is crying that posties arent able to lose pay whilst striking?

[SpacePhoenix]

I think when it comes to loss of money, the potential ending of RM using planes and the knock-on affect of much later dispatch times though the pipeline will have a greater affect is it'll affect shift allowances for many people

[wallan]

There's always those that come along to bleat about how we can't afford to strike.

To be honest if you feel that way then you kind of lose the right to moan about anything from pay to delivery spans to average pay on holiday to the treatment of reserves and part-timers because you've basically said the business can do whatever it likes and we should just sit back and accept it

That's unfortunately where you are without the threat of industrial action, sitting in a negotiating room with no bargaining power whatsoever hoping for crumbs.

I'd rather go find another job than watch this one deteriorate while we sit there wringing our hands worrying what the customers might think.

If you don't want to strike fair enough, that's for your own conscience to deal with but don't come on here trying to convince others to do the same just to make you feel better about your decision. That's kinda sad.

Well said. If the union membership vote in favour of striking I will be no matter how much i can't afford to. Anyone in the union who doesn't strike if it's voted for should leave the union

I bet youd bend first if it meant you defaulting on your mortgage, having your gas and electricity switched off and your kids going hungry.

How long would you strike for if requred? A day? A week? A whole month without any money?

7 Weeks in 1970

Did you have your own place to pay for?

No , Single , Lived Off My Savings , No Strike Pay
Unpaid Vol,s worked to keep PostOffices supplied with Cash / Stock , Cash Boxes in Public Telephones were emptied to keep them working

[toonshola]

You put a little aside for any strikes , are you happy with they way our company has been run in last few years? Hard to stomach if youve been in the job a lot of years.

ive worked in factories for as little as £6 in my time (when it was legal) ive worked an awful lot harder for a lot less money than a postie does now.

We have ourselves a real hero here. Should we all pitch in for his medal?