New RM offer

[walthmstowman]

If they did this they would need to somehow pair up the people who are using the 'family friendly' option

Having two people van sharing with completely different finish times wouldnt work.

Family friendly hr ain't going to happen. Too complicated to cover especially on a van share.

Of course that won't happen . If we lose this dispute management will just steamroller family friendly hours .

[77SAMPOST77]

Or cold hard economic reality.

There has been no Christmas rush this year, that includes foreign mail. How are Royal Mail going to pay your wages if insufficient revenue is being generated?

They can downsize by cutting out all agency workers and let natural wastage come into effect such as retirement and people moving to other jobs .

[Binsey]

The problem is some people on here think this is our 1984/85 heroic last stand.
As someone who’s Mrs grew up back then in a pit village I have heard all the stories.
But they had Community, people trusted and socialised together
We don’t have this now

If anyone on here thinks I am risking everything on this there mistaken I am 52 now….
I voted Yes for the young people coming into RM so they had the opportunities I had af 16.
They have been totally shafted Workwise , Pensions , Housing.
There been told to leave the Country if they want better out of life. What a Sh”tshow.

Interesting the latest CWU proposals reek of ESG , and yes so are RM.
Both singing from the hymn sheet.

[milly]

It would be wise to put the new offer to the membership, I'm afraid this is the best we are going to get.
To all the militants on the board you must remember we don't have the leverage we once had, we no longer have a monopoly and customers have other choices.

So many people on here talking of giving up just as the going gets tough ,
Simon will be loving this ,
If you do give up suck up all the crap he throws at you , without any complaints please .

It's not giving up, it's called being rational.

so youre idea of rational is bo++ocks to youre union workmates in parcelforce and fleet

We are entering into the worst economic downturn in living memory and you think that we can win this dispute?
Members have lost hundreds of pounds that they can ill afford to lose.
All your tough talk counts for nothing if members lose their homes but I guess that's a sacrifice you're willing to make.

More than willing to make .
It is about doing the right thing ,
A sense of pride a sense of Justice and not willing to be someones slave Labour .

You're willing to see fellow members lose their homes?

If that is what it takes for the greater good ,
Meanwhile you and others are prepared to stand by why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ,
And what is all that childish banging your head against a wall nonsense about .

Postal Workers must potentially lose their homes for the Greater Good?

[redlen]

Or cold hard economic reality.

There has been no Christmas rush this year, that includes foreign mail. How are Royal Mail going to pay your wages if insufficient revenue is being generated?

They can downsize by cutting out all agency workers and let natural wastage come into effect such as retirement and people moving to other jobs .

Those Agency workers, be that Christmas casuals or ANGARD are Royal Mail employees. Shame on you denying them the opportunity to support their home and families. A lot of ANGARD staff are also CWU Members supporting this dispute.

[mattandbenny]

Can you still work family friendly hours if you dont have kids?

[GRS]

The problem is some people on here think this is our 1984/85 heroic last stand.
As someone who’s Mrs grew up back then in a pit village I have heard all the stories.
But they had Community, people trusted and socialised together
We don’t have this now

If anyone on here thinks I am risking everything on this there mistaken I am 52 now….
I voted Yes for the young people coming into RM so they had the opportunities I had af 16.
They have been totally shafted Workwise , Pensions , Housing.
There been told to leave the Country if they want better out of life. What a Sh”tshow.

Interesting the latest CWU proposals reek of ESG , and yes so are RM.
Both singing from the hymn sheet.

Well put! Does make me wonder whether this site has been infiltrated by radicals who are using this dispute as a vehicle to ramp up tension in the country. Maybe the mods can look into any infiltration, I don’t know if that is possible as I’m not au fait with how a site works. If these people are genuine posties then they are displaying some worrying behaviour!

[77SAMPOST77]

Or cold hard economic reality.

There has been no Christmas rush this year, that includes foreign mail. How are Royal Mail going to pay your wages if insufficient revenue is being generated?

They can downsize by cutting out all agency workers and let natural wastage come into effect such as retirement and people moving to other jobs .

Those Agency workers, be that Christmas casuals or ANGARD are Royal Mail employees. Shame on you denying them the opportunity to support their home and families. A lot of ANGARD staff are also CWU Members supporting this dispute.

I have been an agency worker myself I knew my job was temporary whilst I looked around for more permanent employment , I knew I was at risk at any given time , that Is what agency work is TEMPORARY .

[redlen]

Rubbish, the majority of ANGARD staff have been with the business for years, personally know a few over 10 years

[Thebro]

I work for Parcelforce, and got my letter from Aaron Barnes yesterday.
According to that, Parcelforce get nothing!

Does The new offer include Parcelforce?

Gutted, I wanted to retire at this firm, now I might have to look for new job. I am 51 and not looking forward to starting again.

Still gonna support the Union to my last breath though.
I know what is at stake
EVERYTHING

[Mungeys]

New offer just dropped on workplace

Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
After seven months of talks with the CWU - including Acas talks over the last four weeks - we have presented the CWU with a revised ‘best and final’ offer with a significant number of improvements, including:
Offering an enhanced pay deal in Royal Mail* of up to 9% over 18 months (rather than two years) – bringing the next annual pay review forward by six months to 1October 2023
Parcelforce colleagues would now also receive the enhanced base pay increase of 7% and we have committed to increasing weekly base pay for Parcelforce drivers to Royal Mail over a three-year period
Offering to develop a new profit share scheme for employees
Making our voluntary redundancy terms more generous than our original proposals – with an additional one-off £6,000 payment for those who choose voluntary redundancy in the first phase. Based on preferences expressed so far, it appears highly likely that the generous voluntary redundancy scheme will be over-subscribed
Committing to no compulsory redundancies until 31 March 2023 at the earliest
Offering to buy-out a number of legacy allowances, including delaying and phasing out the regional recruitment incentive supplement (RRIS) which will now reduce over three years from 2024/25, and be removed in 2026/27
Making Sunday working voluntary, and phasing the removal of the Sunday allowance over three years
Staggering the introduction of later start and finish times over three years. Committed to accommodating family friendly working where possible
Changing our seasonal working proposals so that employees would only work around two hours less a week in the summer, and two hours more in the winter (no more than 30 minutes a day) – with 4-10 weeks notice for employees
Agreeing to trial Yearly Flexi Hours before they are introduced at a later date
Withdrawing proposals to taper down ill health retirement payments
Offering to work with the CWU on a joint campaign to level up employment standards across our industry to avoid a ‘race to the bottom’ on terms and conditions in our sector
Offering to work with the CWU on projects to diversify and grow the business beyond letters and parcels.
You can read the draft agreement in full, along with the covering letter we sent to the CWU, here.
During the negotiations, broad agreement was reached on pay and most elements of the deal. However, over recent days, plans the company thought had been agreed became open-ended ‘reviews’ and three-month-long working groups to delay transformation, in proposals presented by the CWU. Unaffordable initiatives previously suggested by the CWU reappeared, including demands to reduce the current 37-hour working week without any corresponding change in pay, estimated to cost around £100m a year.
Although Royal Mail has made a significant number of concessions and improvements over seven months, the CWU leadership has consistently rejected offers without putting them to its members.
Royal Mail has urged the CWU to accept the offer and call off planned strike action.
Final offer
This is our final offer; we simply cannot afford any more. Further deterioration in the company’s financial position caused by industrial action will rapidly make the pay offer become unaffordable and it may need to be withdrawn.
We want to agree this further pay rise for you, on top of the 2% already paid in the summer. We recognise that the cost-of-living crisis is a serious situation, and you are already out of pocket due to industrial action.
The strikes have already added £100m to Royal Mail’s losses so far this year. In a materially loss-making company, with every additional day of strike action we are facing the difficult choice about whether we spend our money on pay and protecting jobs, or on the cost of strikes.
But we need to be clear that the 10 days of strike action planned between 24 November and 24 December – which impacts our busiest time of the year from the Black Friday deals through to Christmas – are very damaging to our business. They are also very damaging to our customers.
That’s why we have asked the CWU to call off the planned strikes. If they don’t, we have been clear with the CWU leadership we may need to withdraw the offer, look at further headcount reductions and restructuring and that the voluntary redundancy proposal of up to nine months could also become unaffordable.
Have your say
Talk to your manager and share your views on the offer, and make sure your CWU rep understands your view too.
I would urge you to think carefully about whether participating in the upcoming strikes - and risk this improved offer becoming unaffordable - is the right thing for you. If you want come back to work, we will support you.
The more we can deliver for our customers over the crucial Christmas period, the more we can protect this business – and your jobs.
Royal Mail is a great business, and I truly believe we can get through this and have a great future. I hope the CWU recognises the improvements we have made to the offer and accepts it.
Simon Thompson
CEO
*Excludes PFSL, Parcelforce and Fleet which operate as separate bargaining units.

[77SAMPOST77]

Rubbish, the majority of ANGARD staff have been with the business for years, personally know a few over 10 years

They are still agency staff no matter how long they have been there .
Why do royal mail employ ANGARD staff , It is because they know they can get rid easily if there is a downturn in Business ,
a fact not rubbish .

[kookoo32]

Can’t say I’ve read much of the above & have ignored most of CWU rambles, I’m going all out to help Simon destroy Royal Mail, I’ve switched off, they will now get the minimum effort from me, tracked & two loops per day looks like the future, I can handle that, looked @ nursing home in my frame that’s not been out since last Thursday, there’s 15 odd hospital appointment letters & 7 birthday cards, can’t see them going out tomorrow & after the 2 strike days maybe Saturday? Could be Monday or Tuesday, could be dead before they receive them, used to be bothered, now I do not give a flying f**k, Simon do what you f***ing like it no longer matters, I’m sure I speak for 80 90% of the staff? f**k em, life’s to short.

Why would you not make sure the nursing home is delivered??? Fs, you may not give a f**k but come on, catch yourself on!!

Plenty of 'look at me' heroes in this job. Boasting about how they'd let the company burn to the ground. Makes you wonder why they still want to work in the job. What they going to do if an agreement is reached? Switch back on to caring again? Or just carry on not giving a crap? All I can say is I'm glad that's not my van-share partner.

Don't know how it's done in other offices but when I leave stuff in the frame one day that's where I start delivery the next. Surely it's common sense to do the bit you left the day before instead of the same streets over and over again.

[77SAMPOST77]

New offer just dropped on workplace

Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
After seven months of talks with the CWU - including Acas talks over the last four weeks - we have presented the CWU with a revised ‘best and final’ offer with a significant number of improvements, including:
Offering an enhanced pay deal in Royal Mail* of up to 9% over 18 months (rather than two years) – bringing the next annual pay review forward by six months to 1October 2023
Parcelforce colleagues would now also receive the enhanced base pay increase of 7% and we have committed to increasing weekly base pay for Parcelforce drivers to Royal Mail over a three-year period
Offering to develop a new profit share scheme for employees
Making our voluntary redundancy terms more generous than our original proposals – with an additional one-off £6,000 payment for those who choose voluntary redundancy in the first phase. Based on preferences expressed so far, it appears highly likely that the generous voluntary redundancy scheme will be over-subscribed
Committing to no compulsory redundancies until 31 March 2023 at the earliest
Offering to buy-out a number of legacy allowances, including delaying and phasing out the regional recruitment incentive supplement (RRIS) which will now reduce over three years from 2024/25, and be removed in 2026/27
Making Sunday working voluntary, and phasing the removal of the Sunday allowance over three years
Staggering the introduction of later start and finish times over three years. Committed to accommodating family friendly working where possible
Changing our seasonal working proposals so that employees would only work around two hours less a week in the summer, and two hours more in the winter (no more than 30 minutes a day) – with 4-10 weeks notice for employees
Agreeing to trial Yearly Flexi Hours before they are introduced at a later date
Withdrawing proposals to taper down ill health retirement payments
Offering to work with the CWU on a joint campaign to level up employment standards across our industry to avoid a ‘race to the bottom’ on terms and conditions in our sector
Offering to work with the CWU on projects to diversify and grow the business beyond letters and parcels.
You can read the draft agreement in full, along with the covering letter we sent to the CWU, here.
During the negotiations, broad agreement was reached on pay and most elements of the deal. However, over recent days, plans the company thought had been agreed became open-ended ‘reviews’ and three-month-long working groups to delay transformation, in proposals presented by the CWU. Unaffordable initiatives previously suggested by the CWU reappeared, including demands to reduce the current 37-hour working week without any corresponding change in pay, estimated to cost around £100m a year.
Although Royal Mail has made a significant number of concessions and improvements over seven months, the CWU leadership has consistently rejected offers without putting them to its members.
Royal Mail has urged the CWU to accept the offer and call off planned strike action.
Final offer
This is our final offer; we simply cannot afford any more. Further deterioration in the company’s financial position caused by industrial action will rapidly make the pay offer become unaffordable and it may need to be withdrawn.
We want to agree this further pay rise for you, on top of the 2% already paid in the summer. We recognise that the cost-of-living crisis is a serious situation, and you are already out of pocket due to industrial action.
The strikes have already added £100m to Royal Mail’s losses so far this year. In a materially loss-making company, with every additional day of strike action we are facing the difficult choice about whether we spend our money on pay and protecting jobs, or on the cost of strikes.
But we need to be clear that the 10 days of strike action planned between 24 November and 24 December – which impacts our busiest time of the year from the Black Friday deals through to Christmas – are very damaging to our business. They are also very damaging to our customers.
That’s why we have asked the CWU to call off the planned strikes. If they don’t, we have been clear with the CWU leadership we may need to withdraw the offer, look at further headcount reductions and restructuring and that the voluntary redundancy proposal of up to nine months could also become unaffordable.
Have your say
Talk to your manager and share your views on the offer, and make sure your CWU rep understands your view too.
I would urge you to think carefully about whether participating in the upcoming strikes - and risk this improved offer becoming unaffordable - is the right thing for you. If you want come back to work, we will support you.
The more we can deliver for our customers over the crucial Christmas period, the more we can protect this business – and your jobs.
Royal Mail is a great business, and I truly believe we can get through this and have a great future. I hope the CWU recognises the improvements we have made to the offer and accepts it.
Simon Thompson
CEO
*Excludes PFSL, Parcelforce and Fleet which operate as separate bargaining units.

Parcelforce get 7% whilst royal mail get 9% screw that , Carry on striking .

[redlen]

Have to say some of the comments on this forum are 50 years out of date and do not represent current reality in the 21 century.

To argue with a person who has renounced reason is like trying to administer medicine to the dead
Thoma Paine