Payrise

[2yearpostie]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

[2yearpostie]

Honestly dont give the company chance to attack terms, how about we have no payrise this year and just hold postion as we are?

Why not just make it 3-4 years?

Whats better?

Option A ,Stay as we are

Option B At best 2-3% rise + being forced to worked at least 2 Sundays a month and having our times changed to 11am- 6pm,+ loosing sick pay.


Which would you choose cause this is all the union will get for us

Genuine question. Are you still being paid for being a workplace coach?

No, someone else decided they could the job the better so i let them give it try.

Strange scenario that,unheard of even,but still,very noble of you

If someone thinks they can do a better job of something than me then im quite happy to let them try and guide if needed. Do the same with my walk. if someone wants it happy for them to try it for a week, Always get it given back to me however.

What is your length of service my friend? Just curious

5 years, why?

[2yearpostie]

Yes it was for seen as the parcel automation can only sort to 400 selections which means it can only sort to 363 delivery offices and 37 mail centres.

The CWU have and will continue to argue that the work can arrive to connect with the core delivery and that the work can then be sorted into the different delivery office and transported to them rather than 363 LAT units delivering to the 1286 delivery postcodes.

only problem with that is we are currently having to send one of our members of staff from our office on overtime to the lat office to cover our lats as the lat office cant cover them themselves. Wouldnt be so bad but we only average 20 lats a day! If they have to do all of our oversized to loads of stuff aint get delivered.

[Acca Dacca]

The obvious flaw in removing the large parcels from core delivery is if you have a quiet day on letters but heavy on large parcels (or vice versa) half your staff are sitting at home with their feet up while the other half are booking overtime.

It's another idea from the big box of out of touch ideas.

It might do some good if senior management and senior CWU officials moved away from the spreadsheets for five minutes.

#PayRiseNotPayDeal

They will just continue to lapse in that case

Probably have parcel lapsing as well - having the parcel drivers taking one or two of the other drivers parcels between them and having the lapsed drivers put on letters to cover any sick etc

[Dorset Plodder]

It's another idea from the big box of out of touch ideas.

It might do some good if senior management and senior CWU officials moved away from the spreadsheets for five minutes.

#PayRiseNotPayDeal

I've always said there's two parts to Royal Mail:

1) The part that Management (and probably CWU) see on their Laptops = Spreadheets.
2) The Real World of delivering the Mail that us Posties deal with every day.

Love the Hashtag. Nicked. Perhaps some spotty IT type can set it up so all you youngsters can bombard Simple Simon with messages?

#PayRiseNotPayDeal

[Hyrrokkin]

RM would turn us into another Amazon/Yodel/Emri ? already if they could...already half way there as it is.
RM bosses are just spivs and chancers in nicer suits...pandering to shareholders and screwing their best asset over and over - the workforce.
CWU have no choice now - strike ballot and out as RM will not change their minds or stance
Sick and tired of this pay deal s**t they try every single time

[blacov]

Summarising all these posts and looking at what have been leaked from cwu and Simon's narrative there is no chance for an agreement. Royal Mail, if they are not put against a wall will not budge. Our only hope is the CWU and ultimately us, as anything that is eventually negotiated and agreed on cwu-royal mail level is subject to a vote. This is our chance not to agree to peanuts and accepting strings that effectively would turn us into another amazon or yodel. As far as I can understand the business side of things. I know how revenue can be exposed to economical uncertainties and how shift in trend can affect profit but having given nearly half yearly profits in dividends to shareholders, royal mail doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[daveyeff]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

if you accept anything less that inflation you will be losing more than the equivalent of 1hr. can you afford to lose that much? can we all afford to NOT strike.?

[aiden01]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

Good to see where your loyalty lies an can guarantee now there will be more on the picket line than in work.

[iHateD2Ds]

In UK 2021 the average wage was over £38,000.
This years inflation is expected to be around 10%.

Royal Mail paid £400 million to share holders

Go figure.
Workers are being XXXXXD

[Robbo1441]

Summarising all these posts and looking at what have been leaked from cwu and Simon's narrative there is no chance for an agreement. Royal Mail, if they are not put against a wall will not budge. Our only hope is the CWU and ultimately us, as anything that is eventually negotiated and agreed on cwu-royal mail level is subject to a vote. This is our chance not to agree to peanuts and accepting strings that effectively would turn us into another amazon or yodel. As far as I can understand the business side of things. I know how revenue can be exposed to economical uncertainties and how shift in trend can affect profit but having given nearly half yearly profits in dividends to shareholders, royal mail doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Bang on

[postslippete]

If they cease flights which is part of their strings pay offer then start times will have to move to connect with the arrival of work now transported by either rail or road which will come in later.

The later parcels are linked to their parcel hub strategy which is they do not want format 3&4 parcels to connect to core delivery and instead want them to be delivery in the 363 LAT offices later in the day. The reason they want this is to make the LAT product more efficient.

Ok, thanks for commenting Martin. Royal mail up to their old tricks just like they were in previous negotiations. They were pushing for posties to work 9 to 5 then as I recall. Royal Mail talk about efficiency but all they are really looking to do is cut costs.

Take 1st class mail for instance. At one time before privatisation 1st class mail used to be guaranteed next day delivery but now post is re-routed to large mail centres out of town which means it often arrives a few days late. I know I'm a dinosaur and out of touch with the current climate of how mail is being delivered. We have giant hubs now that improve efficiency.

The irony though of how Royal Mail basically crapped on the USO using the pandemic as an excuse for mail delays for months after lockdown. Now all of sudden they are pro USO and want posties delivering mail at 5pm to meet USO targets!!

[2yearpostie]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

Good to see where your loyalty lies an can guarantee now there will be more on the picket line than in work.

my loyalty starts and ends with keeping a roof over my familys head and the electric on.

[greengiant]

Why are we even discussing an attack on our terms and conditions?

Terry made it clear it's a no strings pay rise.
He also said on time but that ship has sailed.

There is no deal to be made.
It's a pay rise or we walk.

It will absoultly have strings and no one will walk as no one can afford to not get paid while they re striking, talk some sense.

he is talking sense. it makes no sense not to walk. as for not getting paid, you will. they will do 'rotational' strike days. ie friday and saturday one week monday and tuesday the next, giving 4 days disruption while losing 2 days pay and getting paid 3.

You might be able to loose 2 days pay without worry, most of cant loose 1hr without worrying so there wont be very many on the picket line.

if you accept anything less that inflation you will be losing more than the equivalent of 1hr. can you afford to lose that much? can we all afford to NOT strike.?

What was the percentage of returned ballot papers in the last ballot? Perhaps there are too many "I'm all right Jack!" who don't care about worse terms and conditions as long as they get a few hundred quid back pay (pro rata)

[2yearpostie]

The 7% rise people are asking for amounts to around £1500 per worker. Not a chance they can afford that.