however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit......
So you've been through that exit door a few times then.......
Absolutley, but for reasons such as overtime being forced on you 5 minutes before you where due to leave, clocking off at 5pm instead of 5;01pm, loading trucks with white goods by hand for £7ph etc..
Compaired to that Royal mails objectives ( once a comprise has been reached) dont sound so bad.
Oh so YOU'RE one of the ones that are voting no to strike action. Wondered who they were.
You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?
Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.
You for real? Go and give your head a wobble
This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen
Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..
This guy is definitely a manager of some sort pal. Ive seen many many negative posts by him over the past few weeks. Something doesn't sit right with me
Im the little voice that you know is being realistic, but you dont want to listen to it.
Im not a manager, however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit. Thats what RM has decided to do now.
I think it might be your aporoach and that is why you probably rub people up the wrong way, maybe not intentionally.
I remember your reply to me a few months ago regarding me being constantly being moved off my cover duty and your response was basically 'tough, it's for operational needs' which to me is a response A manager would say. The update on since I had that conversation is that I'm now on my covers and the managers were not following procedure after the rep got involved as it was a regular move so in reality you didn't fully know but decided yourself that I should have sucked it up. You were wrong and unsympathetic.
That is another topic though and not to be further discussed on here but im just justifying one example of some of your responses to people on here if you see what I mean
I think it might be your aporoach and that is why you probably rub people up the wrong way, maybe not intentionally.
I remember your reply to me a few months ago regarding me being constantly being moved off my cover duty and your response was basically 'tough, it's for operational needs' which to me is a response A manager would say. The update on since I had that conversation is that I'm now on my covers and the managers were not following procedure after the rep got involved as it was a regular move so in reality you didn't fully know but decided yourself that I should have sucked it up. You were wrong and unsympathetic.
That is another topic though and not to be further discussed on here but im just justifying one example of some of your responses to people on here if you see what I mean
Yeah I get it, I think its my none RM background where you HAD to do what the boss said if you wanted paying and to keep your job thats made me a bit mentally harder than anyone whos only ever now RM.
Basically in none RM world if the boss says you are doing something which isnt your normal role, you ARE doing it if you want money as they employ you and have the right to make you leave if you refuse.
Yeah I get it, I think its my none RM background where you HAD to do what the boss said if you wanted paying and to keep your job thats made me a bit mentally harder than anyone whos only ever now RM.
That doesn't sound mentally hard, it sounds like being a bit of an easy touch to be honest.You never HAVE to take s**t in any job.
Do you honestly think we've not faced those kinds of bosses in Royal Mail?
I could tell you some crazy stories, proper hard cases that wouldn't think twice about planting a special in your locker or faking any kind of conduct case.
We've seen them come and we've waved them goodbye and you know why?
We have each others backs.
Well most of us do.
Yeah I get it, I think its my none RM background where you HAD to do what the boss said if you wanted paying and to keep your job thats made me a bit mentally harder than anyone whos only ever now RM.
That doesn't sound mentally hard, it sounds like being a bit of an easy touch to be honest.You never HAVE to take s**t in any job.
Do you honestly think we've not faced those kinds of bosses in Royal Mail?
I could tell you some crazy stories, proper hard cases that wouldn't think twice about planting a special in your locker or faking any kind of conduct case.
We've seen them come and we've waved them goodbye and you know why?
We have each others backs.
Well most of us do.
Stop making excuses for your own deficiencies.
What deficiencies?
Im not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently.
m not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently
No you're whinging about people whinging when asked to do something differently.
It's next level whinging.
You can understand people being resistant to change, especially change that will have a detrimental effect on their lifestyle, it's just human nature.
It's more difficult to understand why you obviously have such a hard time understanding that.
There's something deeper there, talk to your Uncle Woody...
your funny.
Im just glad ive got a decent income, of course id prefer to stay with being home by 2pm and not working Sundays but im the only thing keeping a roof over my familys head, there is no other income, so as long as RM keep giving me just enough gold,if they say jump I will ask how high.
The way things are going standing up for ourselves and 'sticking it to the man' are luxuries some of us just cant afford.
m not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently
No you're whinging about people whinging when asked to do something differently.
It's next level whinging.
You can understand people being resistant to change, especially change that will have a detrimental effect on their lifestyle, it's just human nature.
It's more difficult to understand why you obviously have such a hard time understanding that.
There's something deeper there, talk to your Uncle Woody...
your funny.
Im just glad ive got a decent income, of course id prefer to stay with being home by 2pm and not working Sundays but im the only thing keeping a roof over my familys head, there is no other income, so as long as RM keep giving me just enough gold,if they say jump I will ask how high.
The way things are going standing up for ourselves and 'sticking it to the man' are luxuries some of us just cant afford.
I hope not many of us have your attitude otherwise we all doomed...
m not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently
No you're whinging about people whinging when asked to do something differently.
It's next level whinging.
You can understand people being resistant to change, especially change that will have a detrimental effect on their lifestyle, it's just human nature.
It's more difficult to understand why you obviously have such a hard time understanding that.
There's something deeper there, talk to your Uncle Woody...
your funny.
Im just glad ive got a decent income, of course id prefer to stay with being home by 2pm and not working Sundays but im the only thing keeping a roof over my familys head, there is no other income, so as long as RM keep giving me just enough gold,if they say jump I will ask how high.
The way things are going standing up for ourselves and 'sticking it to the man' are luxuries some of us just cant afford.
I hope not many of us have your attitude otherwise we all doomed...
Again, the word is realistic ( only pick battles you know you can win)
m not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently
No you're whinging about people whinging when asked to do something differently.
It's next level whinging.
You can understand people being resistant to change, especially change that will have a detrimental effect on their lifestyle, it's just human nature.
It's more difficult to understand why you obviously have such a hard time understanding that.
There's something deeper there, talk to your Uncle Woody...
your funny.
Im just glad ive got a decent income, of course id prefer to stay with being home by 2pm and not working Sundays but im the only thing keeping a roof over my familys head, there is no other income, so as long as RM keep giving me just enough gold,if they say jump I will ask how high.
The way things are going standing up for ourselves and 'sticking it to the man' are luxuries some of us just cant afford.
We are not gonna have a decent income soon thats the whole point minimum wage is catching up they are trying to stop overtime,why on gods earth would you not want to stick up for your own terms and conditions ps.we have a union who is 'sticking it to the man'.
2yearpostie, what exactly is it you have an issue with?
If you are quite happy with the changes they want to bring in, minimum wage catching up with our houry rate and dont want to go out on strike - then dont go out on strike. Carry on as you are.
But for the love of God, leave the rest of us to it and dry your eyes as not everyone is as spineless as you are.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
m not the one whinging when im asked to do something differently
No you're whinging about people whinging when asked to do something differently.
It's next level whinging.
You can understand people being resistant to change, especially change that will have a detrimental effect on their lifestyle, it's just human nature.
It's more difficult to understand why you obviously have such a hard time understanding that.
There's something deeper there, talk to your Uncle Woody...
your funny.
Im just glad ive got a decent income, of course id prefer to stay with being home by 2pm and not working Sundays but im the only thing keeping a roof over my familys head, there is no other income, so as long as RM keep giving me just enough gold,if they say jump I will ask how high.
The way things are going standing up for ourselves and 'sticking it to the man' are luxuries some of us just cant afford.
I hope not many of us have your attitude otherwise we all doomed...
Again, the word is realistic ( only pick battles you know you can win)
That's your opinion which you are entitled too. As you are entitled to vote however you like but if you look through history collective bargaining has been successful in protecting and enhancing workers rights in the past.
So your explanation doesn't really stand up to scrutiny if the analysed in the back drop of former disputes...
It normally ends in compromise. Not 'defeat' or 'victory'...
2yearpostie, what exactly is it you have an issue with?
If you are quite happy with the changes they want to bring in, minimum wage catching up with our houry rate and dont want to go out on strike - then dont go out on strike. Carry on as you are.
But for the love of God, leave the rest of us to it and dry your eyes as not everyone is as spineless as you are.
I dont like the whole 'its not my job' attitude of the average RM worker. If its between your working hours EVERTHING is your job if you are requested to do it.
The changes arent that horrific.
8AM-4PM for most offices wont kill anyone, I know people have kids but so do lot of other people that dont work for RM and they manage just fine, The way the sick is abused its no surprise they want to clamp down on it, its only the entitled few we have to blame there, Working 5 or 6 Sundays a year, is that really a problem when your given plenty of notice? you find someone to look after the kids on a Sat so why not a Sun?
2yearpostie, what exactly is it you have an issue with?
If you are quite happy with the changes they want to bring in, minimum wage catching up with our houry rate and dont want to go out on strike - then dont go out on strike. Carry on as you are.
But for the love of God, leave the rest of us to it and dry your eyes as not everyone is as spineless as you are.
I dont like the whole 'its not my job' attitude of the average RM worker. If its between your working hours EVERTHING is your job if you are requested to do it.
The changes arent that horrific.
8AM-4PM for most offices wont kill anyone, I know people have kids but so do lot of other people that dont work for RM and they manage just fine, The way the sick is abused its no surprise they want to clamp down on it, its only the entitled few we have to blame there, Working 5 or 6 Sundays a year, is that really a problem when your given plenty of notice? you find someone to look after the kids on a Sat so why not a Sun?
You really think its going to be a straight 8am-4pm every day and the odd Sunday,no the wonder your confused.
your funny.