Executive Action…

[aiden01]

What a defeatist attitude

You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?

Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.

You for real? Go and give your head a wobble

This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen

Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..

[2yearpostie]

What a defeatist attitude

You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?

Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.

You for real? Go and give your head a wobble

This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen

Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..

You can move with change, be proactive and discuss compromises and learn to adapt to it, or you can be left behind and wither and die.

[Acca Dacca]

If the board used executive action to force through changes in the coming weeks, i.e annualised hours, Sunday working etc, how would it be done?

Would it change overnight or would they have to give notice to our terms being changed?

Would we be forced to follow the changes or face the sack, whilst a dispute with the union dragged on for months?

They seem hellbent on forcing them through, with or without agreement and it will be interesting to see what happens if that is the case…

A huge number of the workforce do this job because the hours suit their life. Do RM even care if 1000s left or is that good for them so they can hire new starts on s**t new contracts?

They own the company, they can instruct us to do anything at any time. They would probably give a 4-16 week notice of change and send new contracts out to be signed, if you dont want to sign the new terms the doors over there, ala what Asda did a few years back.

Is that right? When their bluff is called, who exactly do you think is going to jump at replacing tens of thousands of us on those worse terms and conditions we arent prepared to accept?

They are struggling to find enough people to do the job on THESE terms and conditions let alone worse.

[number one]

Don’t ever get into a real fight. Oh I know I’m going to be beat up but I will just try and discuss with me opponent how badly he will beat me.

Have some fight, ffs

[2yearpostie]

Don’t ever get into a real fight. Oh I know I’m going to be beat up but I will just try and discuss with me opponent how badly he will beat me.

Have some fight, ffs

I wouldnt want to fight anyone, its a bit pointless and stupid imo.

[Pidleypoo]

If the board used executive action to force through changes in the coming weeks, i.e annualised hours, Sunday working etc, how would it be done?

Would it change overnight or would they have to give notice to our terms being changed?

Would we be forced to follow the changes or face the sack, whilst a dispute with the union dragged on for months?

They seem hellbent on forcing them through, with or without agreement and it will be interesting to see what happens if that is the case…

A huge number of the workforce do this job because the hours suit their life. Do RM even care if 1000s left or is that good for them so they can hire new starts on s**t new contracts?

They own the company, they can instruct us to do anything at any time. They would probably give a 4-16 week notice of change and send new contracts out to be signed, if you dont want to sign the new terms the doors over there, ala what Asda did a few years back.

Is that right? When their bluff is called, who exactly do you think is going to jump at replacing tens of thousands of us on those worse terms and conditions we arent prepared to accept?

They are struggling to find enough people to do the job on THESE terms and conditions let alone worse.

Absolutely this.. we can’t retain people now at a rate of about 1 in 16 stay longer than 6 months and that’s with how it is now.

You can say that will rise exponentially with those proposed changes.

On said changes , people need to realise that most of them are completely unworkable and Royal Mail know it.

Even if some of those changes came in , they would take years to do so.

Annualised hours for example couldn’t start until the beginning of any financial year.

[aiden01]

Don’t ever get into a real fight. Oh I know I’m going to be beat up but I will just try and discuss with me opponent how badly he will beat me.

Have some fight, ffs

I wouldnt want to fight anyone, its a bit pointless and stupid imo.

Just like you think strike action is

[Woody Guthrie]

I wouldnt want to fight anyone, its a bit pointless and stupid imo.

Nobody should want to fight.
Everyone should be prepared to.
Sometimes it's not your choice.
Sometimes you're not fighting for yourself.

[2yearpostie]

I wouldnt want to fight anyone, its a bit pointless and stupid imo.

Nobody should want to fight.
Everyone should be prepared to.
Sometimes it's not your choice.
Sometimes you're not fighting for yourself.

Im happy to avoid fighting, it rarely achieves anything that dialogue and discussion wont.

[Woody Guthrie]

Im happy to avoid fighting, it rarely achieves anything that dialogue and discussion wont.

I'm afraid history is not on your side in that argument ...

[denhamhoop]

Im happy to avoid fighting, it rarely achieves anything that dialogue and discussion wont.

I'm afraid history is not on your side in that argument ...

Maybe we can appease mr Thompson

[greengiant]

Executive Action has already occurred, with the CSP getting their hours slashed. It's only the CWU who has fought to stop them getting slashed even more.

And if anyone thinks "It's ok, I'm a postie, it won't affect me, it's only fair those on cushty callers office duties get their hours slashed", watch this space....

[greengiant]

You can move with change, be proactive and discuss compromises and learn to adapt to it, or you can be left behind and wither and die.

And if the "compromises" involve a P&O style Fire and Rehire?

[2yearpostie]

What a defeatist attitude

You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?

Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.

You for real? Go and give your head a wobble

This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen

Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..

You can move with change, be proactive and discuss compromises and learn to adapt to it, or you can be left behind and wither and die.

And if the "compromises" involve a P&O style Fire and Rehire?

Other easier jobs are easy to come by at the moment

[greengiant]

Other easier jobs are easy to come by at the moment

And if the employer in the other "easier" jobs starts firing and rehiring too?