Payrise

[fb1969]

Update video from Terry today about the pay rise. For anyone with something better to do for 2 minutes than watch it, there is no update on a pay rise.
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[Nickvilla20]

Royal Mail and the union probably don’t think we deserve one.

[Cucumber]

"We will deliver a proper pay rise for Royal Mail Group members and we will also set out a clear vision for the future of the company."

Dave Ward, this afternoon.

[Nickvilla20]

"We will deliver a proper pay rise for Royal Mail Group members and we will also set out a clear vision for the future of the company."

Dave Ward, this afternoon.

Heard it all before sadly. I don’t see anything been sorted before September.

[blacov]

Still nothing that would give us an insight of where we are going with this. I think it's been said here many times already. Royal Mail will be in no rush to offer us anything and if the CWU won't press hard enough they will stall it as long as possible. This company is so poorly managed and the service is so poor we are going down the shitter. Even the share prices is suffering now. I reckon royal mail so heavily reliant on the goodwill of workforce, having such a large number of frontline workers by undermining its best asset in favour of shareholders, namely large investment funds', individual billionaires' profits, has shot its own foot.

[Acca Dacca]

I remember working for companies that would just give you a % payrise every year.

They never insisted on trying to reduce your T&Cs every year. Where did RM get this idea from, and why do the CWU go along with it, that every time they give you a payrise you've got to give something up FFS

Payrises used to simply cover the rise in the cost of living. My suppliers just contacted me to say my duel fuel DD is going up and extra £95! So they can kiss my ass if they think I'll be agreeing to sign away any more T&Cs for a paltry handout. How's about an old fashioned negotiaton strategy?
Give us a certain %, with no strings attached, or we'll ballot for Industrial Action. Bit too Bullish for Terry & Co I expect, they wouldn't want to upset their coshy relationship with RM.

I to worked for companies who would give you a crap 1% payrise but it was never attached to conditions it was a payrise not a paydeal,surely there isnt anymore conditions to be had we are streched to the limit as it is,im all for the union but that deal s**t has to stop.

They are coming for our sick pay next

And what do you know, the seeds have now been planted.

Didnt take long

[Dorset Plodder]

1) The stage system means those 'shirkers' cant repeat that too often though

2) You can speak for yourself but I wouldnt give up sick pay for the first three days without a fight

1) There are those who know how to work the stage system AD. They simply monitor their own abscences and IF they haven't had any genuine sickness for a 6 month period they just have a "Sickie" instead. TBH it's normally longer than the weekend as it turns into 7 days self certification. It's the Managers problem to sort it but they rarely do.

2) I wasn't suggesting giving up the first 3 days, simply saying I've worked for companies that do that. I've already stated I believe it should be a No Strings Attached Pay Rise

[richietns]

I remember working for companies that would just give you a % payrise every year.

They never insisted on trying to reduce your T&Cs every year. Where did RM get this idea from, and why do the CWU go along with it, that every time they give you a payrise you've got to give something up FFS

Payrises used to simply cover the rise in the cost of living. My suppliers just contacted me to say my duel fuel DD is going up and extra £95! So they can kiss my ass if they think I'll be agreeing to sign away any more T&Cs for a paltry handout. How's about an old fashioned negotiaton strategy?
Give us a certain %, with no strings attached, or we'll ballot for Industrial Action. Bit too Bullish for Terry & Co I expect, they wouldn't want to upset their coshy relationship with RM.

I to worked for companies who would give you a crap 1% payrise but it was never attached to conditions it was a payrise not a paydeal,surely there isnt anymore conditions to be had we are streched to the limit as it is,im all for the union but that deal s**t has to stop.

They are coming for our sick pay next

And what do you know, the seeds have now been planted.

Didnt take long

How did you know you on the inside lol.

[POSTMAN]

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[fb1969]

Ah bless Terry, the penny has finally dropped that the company don't give a s**t about us. All of the "fourth emergency service" stuff was just crap and Terry thought that it meant something.

Meanwhile reality has just knocked on the door.

[POSTMAN]

Ricky McAulay

Update on CWU Pay Discussions

The success of Royal Mail depends significantly on the dedication and performance of our people, as well as the transformational changes we need to deliver in order to be able to compete. We know our people have worked hard during the pandemic and that cost of living pressures are front of mind. We want to give a pay rise.

As a business, however, we are facing increasing uncertainty and declining consumer confidence. This is partly driven by recent world events, and growing inflationary pressures. This is an evolving situation and is affecting completion of our plan for 22/23.

The Board has asked for a bit more time to consider all the factors impacting our business so that they can make the right recommendations that prioritise the long term sustainability of the company. This includes consideration of the investment and wider transformational change we need to reinvent Royal Mail for the next generations, and the mandate for the pay award.

We are aware of CWU’s expectation on the timing of pay talks and will update you as soon as possible.

[blacov]

Good speech Terry but it would be even better of CWU set some deadlines as to where they expect an offer. In case of no reply they should start taking action. Including potential ballot for strike. Otherwise we are just wasting time.

[jessicarabbit]

Ricky says "We are aware of CWU’s expectation on the timing of pay talks and will update you as soon as possible"

Ricky means "We know if we keep you waiting til October you'll take 1.5% and the back pay in time for Xmas. So don't expect to hear from us again on the subject til then."

[Woody Guthrie]

My expectation is the business will hit the union with something like a choice

4% no strings

Or

2% + 35hr week

Or

7% and a whole bag of if, buts and maybes, conditional on pilots and trials

Or

9% over two years 5% first year 4% second year depending on inflation.

Puts the s**t back in the union's court. The papers just pick the highest figure and run with it.

It's what you would do if you wanted to stall the whole process.

[rogersh]

Ricky McAulay

Update on CWU Pay Discussions
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We are aware of CWU’s expectation on the timing of pay talks and will update you as soon as possible.

I wonder if this delay is acceptable to the CWU.

Answering my own question, the update states "The Board has asked for a bit more time to consider all the factors......"
So do we assume the board has asked the CWU for a bit more time!. Faffing about!