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28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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We had Aldi brochure's that s week, weighed a ton, on top of this had virgin media going to every house , and the packets have been mental, Christmas tree s going to be shite.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.
That'll be someone who'll be easy pickings for getting sacked
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by priority102 »

Throw D2D's into the bin and you will make many a higher up managers' day - talk about book your own sacking!

I've seen a postie with quite a few years service sacked for exactly this. Don't forget, in today's regime there's plenty of colleagues that will make management aware behind their back if someone is doing this, you don't need just management!
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by WalkerX »

Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
"With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it." Absolutely correct. Also, if we`re not allowed holiday over the busy period, we should n`t have to deliver this crap either. It won`t happen of course, because it`s a nice little earner.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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WalkerX wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:08
Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
"With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it." Absolutely correct. Also, if we`re not allowed holiday over the busy period, we should n`t have to deliver this crap either. It won`t happen of course, because it`s a nice little earner.
Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind. Less revenue (if D2D and direct marketing were axed) would see RM's revenue and profits drop a lot so they'd be wanting to cut costs and that would likely mean job cuts. Would you volunteer to be one of those who'd lose their jobs as a result? :cuppa
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by mjd24 »

Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
Totally agree. Its shocking that its 2021 and we are delivering millions of bits of paper to every house in the country of which surely 90%+ goes straight in the bin without being read.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by Jahpostie »

Someone should put it to Simon on that workplace thing where he takes questions.... "In light of the climate crisis should Royal Mail take the lead and stop delivering D2Ds?". See how he swerves that one. I suspect with ease.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by Jahpostie »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:18
WalkerX wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:08
Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
"With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it." Absolutely correct. Also, if we`re not allowed holiday over the busy period, we should n`t have to deliver this crap either. It won`t happen of course, because it`s a nice little earner.
Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind. Less revenue (if D2D and direct marketing were axed) would see RM's revenue and profits drop a lot so they'd be wanting to cut costs and that would likely mean job cuts. Would you volunteer to be one of those who'd lose their jobs as a result? :cuppa
Yawn. They couldn't cut the job anymore than they have. Posties are on their knees already. They cannot recruit staff fast enough
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by mjd24 »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:18
WalkerX wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:08
Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
"With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it." Absolutely correct. Also, if we`re not allowed holiday over the busy period, we should n`t have to deliver this crap either. It won`t happen of course, because it`s a nice little earner.
Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind. Less revenue (if D2D and direct marketing were axed) would see RM's revenue and profits drop a lot so they'd be wanting to cut costs and that would likely mean job cuts. Would you volunteer to be one of those who'd lose their jobs as a result? :cuppa
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by Jahpostie »

Working for RM I found it fascinating how scared most posties were of losing their job or upsetting the DOM. They have built a fear culture more so than other places I've worked. The reality is, it's a job now with no perks. It's absolute drudgery since covid, particularly for reserves. It's poorly paid and the working conditions and culture are dire.

Don't pipe up with it's well paid for what it is. It's not, any job less than the national average is not well paid. If you're on a 27 hour contract which in effect is full time hours when you factor in the recovery time then it is very badly paid.

The grass is greener elsewhere. There are a lot easier ways to get paid what you get paid at RM. I should know.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:28
SpacePhoenix wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:18
WalkerX wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 11:08
Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 08:11
*horcrux* wrote:
11 Nov 2021, 17:50
Kenfandango wrote:
10 Nov 2021, 17:36
I was chatting to a guy from a different section to my usual, and he told me he goes on a lot of different routes and everyone just pulls their D2Ds out separately and chucks them in a recycling bin.

I don't know if he's winding me up
Seems like a good way to get sacked once they get found out.
Why not just do it properly and work to your time if you wish or book the overtime if you want it?
If the workload was manageable people would "do it properly". Something has to give and It'll be the D2Ds. Straight in the bin.

With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it.
"With all this focus on climate change, physical direct marketing should be banned by government. Nobody wants it." Absolutely correct. Also, if we`re not allowed holiday over the busy period, we should n`t have to deliver this crap either. It won`t happen of course, because it`s a nice little earner.
Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind. Less revenue (if D2D and direct marketing were axed) would see RM's revenue and profits drop a lot so they'd be wanting to cut costs and that would likely mean job cuts. Would you volunteer to be one of those who'd lose their jobs as a result? :cuppa
Yawn. They couldn't cut the job anymore than they have. Posties are on their knees already. They cannot recruit staff fast enough
The end of direct marketing would see a massive drop in the number of letters and flats going through the system so the call rate is bound to plummit. I doubt that there'd be enough packets each day for each walk for RM to justify not cutting the number of walks
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

Post by Jahpostie »

At my DO, the walks are too big anyway. Take away the D2D and they may be manageable on a light day. We've not seen a dramatic decline in letters apart from a short period in the summer. They just started the lapsing then and never stopped it. So I don't see the drop in letter propaganda. It doesn't wash, certainly not where I live. It may be different elsewhere.
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Re: 28 Million D2D's from 22 Nov

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Jahpostie wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 12:23
At my DO, the walks are too big anyway. Take away the D2D and they may be manageable on a light day. We've not seen a dramatic decline in letters apart from a short period in the summer. They just started the lapsing then and never stopped it. So I don't see the drop in letter propaganda. It doesn't wash, certainly not where I live. It may be different elsewhere.
We're probably putting through between 1/2 and 3/4 of what we put through our machines this time last year. It's probably a fair bit less than that if you exclude bulk postings. we're due to lose one of our two iLSMs next year. Do you really think that RM would be doing that if there wasn't a massive drop in letters traffic?

As more and more items get the 2D barcodes there'll be more and more data about what each walk is getting