Suspensions

norbet colon · Post by **norbet colon** » 06 Dec 2007, 20:06

saru wrote:My motto is CYB (cover your back) at all times! I don't doorstep or sign for anything now unless there's a note on the bench from the customer saying it's OK.
Re: sacking - it's a strong possibility. Depends on your DOM & your colleagues record. It may well depend on the value of the item too. If RM have to shell out loads of compo, they may well be less inclined to be lenient.
I hope it all goes OK for her.

it was a sackable offence years ago & certainly now in central lancs , depends if someone's rang RM CS , they'd pull posties on bag checks or get them on SD's and replace the full timers with AG's .

cappamore · Post by **cappamore** » 06 Dec 2007, 20:48

stuartG81 wrote:if shes only suspended just now

make sure they don't stop her pay

They can't; it's illegal to do so under the Dispute Resolution Regulations 2002.

ronaldo · Post by **ronaldo** » 06 Dec 2007, 20:55

she thinks shes out but cant understand why its her and only her when the regular postie told the boss she does it aswell and he only told her to stop

cappamore · Post by **cappamore** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:00

If that'as the case she must make that point at her conduct interview. If somebody else has done that and not been disciplined it would be seen as unfair to discipline her. That is natural justice and in any case there is legal precedent around this; the case of Hadjiannou v Coral Casinos at the Employment Appeals Tribunal.

Never, ever sign for items; its seen as a failure to safeguard the mail and its just not risking your job over.

ronaldo · Post by **ronaldo** » 06 Dec 2007, 21:20

She wanted me to ask on here if it would be worth mentioning that they never disciplined two strike breakers that had specials on the dashboard of their vans and were given a letter to explain procedure plus a postie who had a bike stolen and mail bag and only got a warning.mail was never found

stuartG81 · Post by **stuartG81** » 06 Dec 2007, 23:08

cappamore wrote:
stuartG81 wrote:if shes only suspended just now

make sure they don't stop her pay
They can't; it's illegal to do so under the Dispute Resolution Regulations 2002.

ive been suspended for 3 weeks for 'wilful delay' and they've not paid me over those 3 weeks. clueless w*nk of a manager put me down as "unaurthorised absence"

The Wee Man · Post by **The Wee Man** » 08 Dec 2007, 13:03

Although Royal Mail consider this type of offence quite serious with regards to mails integrity, it would be a very extreme measure to sack someone for it. Saying that, things will also depend on her current record, because, if for instance, she has done something of this naturs before, then management will take quite a dim view of this. On the other hand, if her record is clear, or even if she had an offence of a different nature to this one, then it would be a hateful vindictive manager that would dismiss her.

Do not attempt to justify the actions of the individual signing herself by using the argument that others do it. Its against policy and should not happen. The answer is, an apology and it won't happen again. (Thats if the proof is there)

I wish her good luck, and I hope this advice helps in some way.

turk182 · Post by **turk182** » 08 Dec 2007, 16:36

we used to be allowed tosign for recorded deliverys but rm changed the rules on this i think this comes under conduct code if your friend has a clear reccord she may just get a serious warning depends on the mood of dom good luck !