Automated Clocking

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 08 Sep 2020, 20:55

matthew68 wrote:
afcdibby wrote:It's the year 2020. Only dinosaurs would object to this.
Well that’s the full timers who finish 2 hours early every day then

dont tie every full timer with the same brush . im f/t and i dont get a 2 hour flyer.

Post by **HTPostman** » 08 Sep 2020, 21:08

worktotime wrote:
HTPostman wrote:
TheTrolleyMan wrote:
HTPostman wrote:I’ve nothing to hide so I’ve no objection to it. I start on time, finish on time unless I agree to OT.

I do wonder though how it will work - take Saturday for example when everyone is on a flyer. If it’s linked directory to wages/payroll, and you clock out an hour early, will that hour be taken from your pay? Is that what the union (and some of the workforce) are worried about?
Any jobs at yoyr office ? It sounds like Saturday's are a breeze
Finish time is 3pm, most are done by 2.15, there’s only I reckon 10% who actually finish at 3. I bet other offices finish even earlier.
why dont these people go and retry deliver the item they have slipped ? so they finish on time ?

I’ll guess it’s because they just want to get done and go home and at the moment there are no repercussions. Some of them even shoot themselves in the foot because quite often the round isn’t fully prepped, so they could quite easily use that hour when they get back to prep the remaining trays. Instead they go home early and have a busier Monday. The mind boggles but each to their own.

Post by **eastie** » 08 Sep 2020, 22:23

Im fulltime and 60 and dont do lapsing and finish over most days or cut off.
I cant see the logic in coming early and running round with no break
It would stop the ghost overtime by the runners thats for sure

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 08 Sep 2020, 22:40

In theory I don't have a problem with it and am in favour of it. In practice we need to know if it will mean if we go over duty time will we get paid for all the time we have worked or just what the official duty hours are. Obviously the converse would apply as well as in if a postie finishes thirty minutes before time will they be docked that pay.
If they are going to do the latter then we should be demanding they do the former as well. I don't think anyone can argue that all work completed should not all be paid for. RM need to provide clarification on this and not hide behind all the secret talks b*llsh*t.

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 08 Sep 2020, 22:59

If they give us the hour off the week we are owed and a pay rise from April 2020 to compensate I’m all for it.

1617mel · Post by **1617mel** » 09 Sep 2020, 04:21

reading this the story goes back to a saturday finnish, they will revise the finnish time on saturdays (revision)and add extra time to the busy days ,so less ot is paid, clocking in and out is the fairest way, it will be one off the monumental changes in the way we work, watch this space..........

Newbie001 · Post by **Newbie001** » 09 Sep 2020, 08:21

Think RM are in for a fright. Because of PDA actuals, they think they're gonna save a lot of money. They have no idea how much managers cook the books. What with ghosting for their buddy's being paid for with bullying and intimidation of others. Stealing holidays, WTL etc. And most breaks taken at end.
Interesting times ahead.

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 09 Sep 2020, 09:24

HTPostman wrote:I’ve nothing to hide so I’ve no objection to it. I start on time, finish on time unless I agree to OT.

I do wonder though how it will work - take Saturday for example when everyone is on a flyer. If it’s linked directory to wages/payroll, and you clock out an hour early, will that hour be taken from your pay? Is that what the union (and some of the workforce) are worried about?

Saturday is usually the worst day of the week

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 09 Sep 2020, 09:25

Newbie001 wrote:Think RM are in for a fright. Because of PDA actuals, they think they're gonna save a lot of money. They have no idea how much managers cook the books. What with ghosting for their buddy's being paid for with bullying and intimidation of others. Stealing holidays, WTL etc. And most breaks taken at end.
Interesting times ahead.

Never mind making managers redundant, they'll be sacking half of them.

mjd24 · Post by **mjd24** » 09 Sep 2020, 17:15

Surely all the early finshers will just slow down and come back bang on their finish time rather than risk getting docked pay?

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 09 Sep 2020, 17:22

mjd24 wrote:Surely all the early finishers will just slow down and come back bang on their finish time rather than risk getting docked pay?

It depends on how much they slow down.
The PDA outdoor actuals will be watching them very closely.

Post by **Sugar** » 09 Sep 2020, 18:04

It'll be easy to fiddle, I used to do it in previous employment when the rest of the shift went home early and I would clock them all out at the right time.

All that will happen will be duty partners (that's if you're all still on van share but that's another story) will take it in turns to come back to the office and clock each other out and sign PDA's off. I could even see some of the bent managers doing it themselves as a way to fiddle the books and hours by doing it for their favourite overtime buddy's to continue ghosting.

Let's face it the managers in this company are fecking useless at the best of times, they are never going to enforce anything fully that is going to show the bully boy senior managers above how fecking useless they are. Never mind staying back in the office each day to check every single OPG has come back and clocked out themselves.

RM as usual are 50 -100 years too late with this.

TheoF95 · Post by **TheoF95** » 09 Sep 2020, 18:07

mjd24 wrote:Surely all the early finshers will just slow down and come back bang on their finish time rather than risk getting docked pay?

Young and fit posties shouldn't be punished because they can move quicker, the company should encourage the work rate as the threat of getting your pay docked will do exactly that, slow them down which means they will not be available to help out. Same round, same day.. two different posties will finish at different times.. if the walk is worth 8 hours then 8 hours should be paid.

bucks123 · Post by **bucks123** » 09 Sep 2020, 18:10

Sugar wrote:Never mind staying back in the office each day to check every single OPG has come back and clocked out themselves.

I have taken a photo of this behaviour in our office (manager signing that every one has returned from their duty even though it's only 9am and he does this every day). I am keeping it should that manager ever haul me up for non-adherence to a procedure

mjd24 · Post by **mjd24** » 09 Sep 2020, 18:23

TheoF95 wrote:
mjd24 wrote:Surely all the early finshers will just slow down and come back bang on their finish time rather than risk getting docked pay?
Young and fit posties shouldn't be punished because they can move quicker, the company should encourage the work rate as the threat of getting your pay docked will do exactly that, slow them down which means they will not be available to help out. Same round, same day.. two different posties will finish at different times.. if the walk is worth 8 hours then 8 hours should be paid.

I 100% agree with this.