What is a fair payrise for us?

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:04

Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:nah....its because we fought them. if we hadn't we would be on minimum wage.
Would you do this job for minimum wage?

would you?

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:18

Some of us aren't on a living wage.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:20

daveyeff wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:nah....its because we fought them. if we hadn't we would be on minimum wage.
Would you do this job for minimum wage?
would you?

No.
That's the point, very few people would.
Which is why we're not on minimum wage.
Nothing to do with fighting.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:25

this is a company that thinks we are over paid and underworked. if we hadn't been at the gates so many times we would have none of the conditions we have. and we have because we've be at the gates so many times.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:30

Woody Guthrie wrote:Workload was different in those days, easier in some ways, harder in others but work is work.

It will also have been a difference mix of mail types. Back then it would have been nearly all letters and flats with the odd packet, now there's way more packets and a lot of stuff that has to be scanned.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 20 Aug 2020, 19:34

daveyeff wrote:this is a company that thinks we are over paid and underworked.

Do you think a business will ever tell you that you're overworked and underpaid davey?

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 20 Aug 2020, 20:00

Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:this is a company that thinks we are over paid and underworked.
Do you think a business will ever tell you that you're overworked and underpaid davey?

They were quoted as saying it.. either crozier or leighton if I remember...trying to impose a pay freeze and saying we were paid too much as it is and not as efficient as our competitors

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 20 Aug 2020, 20:15

Murdoch wrote:I had never considered a retention issue, do many offices find it hard to retain employees? I guess this varies hugely from area to area.

Until about 12 months ago offices that had recruitment problems would advertise full time jobs to temp people in and to get them to stay, it wasn’t many offices just offices in large well off areas. Looks like that’s gone out the window now as well.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 20 Aug 2020, 20:20

In some areas there is something called RRIS payment which if I remember correctly stands for Recruitment and Retention Incentive Supplement.

At the end of the day this business has a relatively high turnover of staff especially in the first 6 months of employment. That's with a relatively high rate of pay on entry. You can imagine what it would be like on minimum wage.

grchpo · Post by **grchpo** » 20 Aug 2020, 20:29

1 hour off the working week is no help if you you don't get 1 hour off the workload.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 20 Aug 2020, 20:36

Or imagine it without a union at all.....nobody "fighting" for good terms and conditions .and just having to accept all of the s**t they want in.

Post by **Murdoch** » 20 Aug 2020, 22:47

Woody Guthrie wrote:In some areas there is something called RRIS payment which if I remember correctly stands for Recruitment and Retention Incentive Supplement.

At the end of the day this business has a relatively high turnover of staff especially in the first 6 months of employment. That's with a relatively high rate of pay on entry. You can imagine what it would be like on minimum wage.

From what I've observed, many people leave very quickly after joining because they find out how poorly managed Royal Mail is. They might have been given a 12 hour contract, but then are confused why they are on the rota every week for 38 hours anytime from 6am - 16:00 Monday to Saturday.

Many companies in the UK are dysfunctional, but Royal Mail is exceptionally strange. This is now a typical advert:

Part time 25:00 hours per week
Working between the hours of 07:00 and 19:00
Five days across Monday to Saturday
One day off during the week (rotational day off)

What they don't mention is that, you won't get a rotational day off (it will be completely random). And you'll get the rota maybe on the Saturday before the week starts. So you'll literally need to remain free from 7:00 - 19:00 Monday to Saturday every week, because they'll expect you to work those 25 hours, anytime within that period, that suits them. Actually, no you'll be on the rota for at least 38 hours, without being asked if you want the extra every week. And if you raise this as an issue, you'll need to be prepared to raise it every single week.

If you have literally any other commitments, you're screwed if you get a job with Royal Mail.

Ricardo44 · Post by **Ricardo44** » 21 Aug 2020, 05:46

Another thing wrong with the job adverts is that it states that you will be 'walking for upto 6 hours a day'. This contradicts the fact that the job is only advertised as 5 hours a day and doesn't even factor in any indoor work or a break.

wallan · Post by **wallan** » 21 Aug 2020, 08:58

Woody Guthrie wrote:In some areas there is something called RRIS payment which if I remember correctly stands for Recruitment and Retention Incentive Supplement.

At the end of the day this business has a relatively high turnover of staff especially in the first 6 months of employment. That's with a relatively high rate of pay on entry. You can imagine what it would be like on minimum wage.

When i started in 1963 you did Not Get Full Rate Of Pay Until You Were 28

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 21 Aug 2020, 10:17

grchpo wrote:1 hour off the working week is no help if you you don't get 1 hour off the workload.

But you will get 1 hour off the workload as you will be there an hour less.