Masks

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Aug 2020, 15:51

Without being specific I recently spent 14 hours in full PPE, that's mask, visor, apron and gloves and although it wasn't the most comfortable day in my life it wasn't particularly difficult, it really made me understand how we automatically revert to childhood and the stampy feet thing when we're told to do something we don't want to do.

There are very few genuine medical conditions that would make mask wearing impossible but if you have one fair enough, if not grow the f**k up.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 08 Aug 2020, 19:06

Woody Guthrie wrote:Without being specific I recently spent 14 hours in full PPE, that's mask, visor, apron and gloves and although it wasn't the most comfortable day in my life it wasn't particularly difficult, it really made me understand how we automatically revert to childhood and the stampy feet thing when we're told to do something we don't want to do.

There are very few genuine medical conditions that would make mask wearing impossible but if you have one fair enough, if not grow the f**k up.

Anyone not wearing a mask, exemption or no exemption, if they're asymptomatic then they're going to be spreading covid around. If someone with breathing problems then catches covid as a result, it could potentially kill them. Would you rather they spread covid around?

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 08 Aug 2020, 20:10

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:Without being specific I recently spent 14 hours in full PPE, that's mask, visor, apron and gloves and although it wasn't the most comfortable day in my life it wasn't particularly difficult, it really made me understand how we automatically revert to childhood and the stampy feet thing when we're told to do something we don't want to do.

There are very few genuine medical conditions that would make mask wearing impossible but if you have one fair enough, if not grow the f**k up.
Anyone not wearing a mask, exemption or no exemption, if they're asymptomatic then they're going to be spreading covid around. If someone with breathing problems then catches covid as a result, it could potentially kill them. Would you rather they spread covid around?

It is as transmissible as the common cold and as deadly as the hong kong flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this is not a killer of the whole human race but a deadly cold virus for some but not all. Wearing the same face mask for weeks or different shopping trips could spread the virus and do more harm than good, As to your assertion we should condemn those who do not sheath their face for your own fantasies or physiological deficiency's is ludicrous I was not born with mask nor shall I departed from this earth with a mask!

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 08 Aug 2020, 20:28

k979aaa wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:Without being specific I recently spent 14 hours in full PPE, that's mask, visor, apron and gloves and although it wasn't the most comfortable day in my life it wasn't particularly difficult, it really made me understand how we automatically revert to childhood and the stampy feet thing when we're told to do something we don't want to do.

There are very few genuine medical conditions that would make mask wearing impossible but if you have one fair enough, if not grow the f**k up.
Anyone not wearing a mask, exemption or no exemption, if they're asymptomatic then they're going to be spreading covid around. If someone with breathing problems then catches covid as a result, it could potentially kill them. Would you rather they spread covid around?
It is as transmissible as the common cold and as deadly as the hong kong flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this is not a killer of the whole human race but a deadly cold virus for some but not all. Wearing the same face mask for weeks or different shopping trips could spread the virus and do more harm than good, As to your assertion we should condemn those who do not sheath their face for your own fantasies or physiological deficiency's is ludicrous I was not born with mask nor shall I departed from this earth with a mask!

Well then if a member of your family dies from covid through an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask spreading covid, don't come looking for sympathy, you won't get any

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 08 Aug 2020, 20:45

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:Without being specific I recently spent 14 hours in full PPE, that's mask, visor, apron and gloves and although it wasn't the most comfortable day in my life it wasn't particularly difficult, it really made me understand how we automatically revert to childhood and the stampy feet thing when we're told to do something we don't want to do.

There are very few genuine medical conditions that would make mask wearing impossible but if you have one fair enough, if not grow the f**k up.
Anyone not wearing a mask, exemption or no exemption, if they're asymptomatic then they're going to be spreading covid around. If someone with breathing problems then catches covid as a result, it could potentially kill them. Would you rather they spread covid around?
It is as transmissible as the common cold and as deadly as the hong kong flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this is not a killer of the whole human race but a deadly cold virus for some but not all. Wearing the same face mask for weeks or different shopping trips could spread the virus and do more harm than good, As to your assertion we should condemn those who do not sheath their face for your own fantasies or physiological deficiency's is ludicrous I was not born with mask nor shall I departed from this earth with a mask!
Well then if a member of your family dies from covid through an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask spreading covid, don't come looking for sympathy, you won't get any

More people have died from preventable illness ie cancer heart/strokes and accidents than will ever die of Covid 19 or just another flu/cold virus as one hundred years ago people just died in the street they did not give a virus a fancy name and portray it as the end of the world as we know it!

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Aug 2020, 20:49

Some batshit crazy tonight lol...

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 08 Aug 2020, 20:51

Woody Guthrie wrote:Some batshit crazy tonight lol...

Been to China lately have we?

Post by **priority102** » 08 Aug 2020, 21:37

k979aaa wrote:This whole thing should be merged but as I say this lot's are not wearing them do I look at them yes I do. I look I don't stare at them I don't say anything to them or judge them for they could be me but if someone said anything to them I would help them in that situation we all don't know how these regulations effect those who cannot ware them this is clumsy regulation by a clumsy clot headed Individual. If you think the PM has done a great job of this open a thread on here and defend him I don't get paid £155,000 a year and a nice house a company car but this is the idiocy of his intellectual meltdown he did not even think about this before consulting anyone. He is a lose cannon and an imbecile at the same time sorry for those who think he is the bee's knee's but on this and lock down failed and though I cannot and will not blame him for all the 45500 to 65000 deaths he sure did not help in a word a day late and a dollar short perfectly fits the description! As for his latest edict it is a cover for his failings the above figures the blood of most is on his hands so we now need masks/face coverings 4 Months after peek infection it is unproven that any covering will prevent the spread prevalence of covid 19 hopefully we will never know but this is not the end it is the start of a sinister manipulation of us all for what you all ask well here https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... r-22411232" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Well I do say this whole thing could have been prevented by isolation centres at UK airports for testing and quarantine but with freedom of travel should the rest of us put up with the hissy fits of travellers and their right to bring a virus home. When man went to the moon in 1969 they spent 3 weeks in quarantine for any pathogens they may have developed even though they we in pressurised space suits not masks with a finger width each ether side of your nose. This is no way to run a county we need commonsense decisions in a timely fashion not knee jerk reactions 4 months to late we need better leaders than this Etonian dinosaur can give us all at is present time!

Whatever you think of the PM (yes I think he has made errors along the way), BUT.....can you name ONE person on this planet who could have dealt successfully with this pandemic? NO. NO ONE can deal effectively with what is an invisible enemy. I'm no fan of BJ but I am reluctant to criticise him at the moment when no one else can do better.

Post by **priority102** » 08 Aug 2020, 21:39

When it comes to masks we have to accept the law. But, what has been very poorly decided is to allow shop workers NOT to wear them. They should be leading by example, apart from the extra protection for both employee and customer.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 08 Aug 2020, 21:42

barncopxx wrote:
k979aaa wrote:This whole thing should be merged but as I say this lot's are not wearing them do I look at them yes I do. I look I don't stare at them I don't say anything to them or judge them for they could be me but if someone said anything to them I would help them in that situation we all don't know how these regulations effect those who cannot ware them this is clumsy regulation by a clumsy clot headed Individual. If you think the PM has done a great job of this open a thread on here and defend him I don't get paid £155,000 a year and a nice house a company car but this is the idiocy of his intellectual meltdown he did not even think about this before consulting anyone. He is a lose cannon and an imbecile at the same time sorry for those who think he is the bee's knee's but on this and lock down failed and though I cannot and will not blame him for all the 45500 to 65000 deaths he sure did not help in a word a day late and a dollar short perfectly fits the description! As for his latest edict it is a cover for his failings the above figures the blood of most is on his hands so we now need masks/face coverings 4 Months after peek infection it is unproven that any covering will prevent the spread prevalence of covid 19 hopefully we will never know but this is not the end it is the start of a sinister manipulation of us all for what you all ask well here https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... r-22411232" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Well I do say this whole thing could have been prevented by isolation centres at UK airports for testing and quarantine but with freedom of travel should the rest of us put up with the hissy fits of travellers and their right to bring a virus home. When man went to the moon in 1969 they spent 3 weeks in quarantine for any pathogens they may have developed even though they we in pressurised space suits not masks with a finger width each ether side of your nose. This is no way to run a county we need commonsense decisions in a timely fashion not knee jerk reactions 4 months to late we need better leaders than this Etonian dinosaur can give us all at is present time!
Whatever you think of the PM (yes I think he has made errors along the way), BUT.....can you name ONE person on this planet who could have dealt successfully with this pandemic? NO. NO ONE can deal effectively with what is an invisible enemy. I'm no fan of BJ but I am reluctant to criticise him at the moment when no one else can do better.

jacinda ardern did and she did not destroy NZ as we know it!

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 08 Aug 2020, 23:44

k979aaa wrote:
barncopxx wrote:
k979aaa wrote:BUT.....can you name ONE person on this planet who could have dealt successfully with this pandemic? NO. NO ONE can deal effectively with what is an invisible enemy. I'm no fan of BJ but I am reluctant to criticise him at the moment when no one else can do better.
jacinda ardern did and she did not destroy NZ as we know it!

And I can name a few more:

President Tsai Ing-wen

Country: Taiwan (Republic of China)
Population: 23,821,316
Cases: 479
Deaths: 7
Deaths per 1 million of population: 0.3

Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir

Country: Iceland
Population: 341,471
Cases: 1,955
Deaths: 10
Deaths per 1 million of population: 29

Prime Minister Sanna Marin

Country: Finland
Population: 5,541,628
Cases: 7,568
Deaths: 331
Deaths per 1 million of population: 60

Prime Minister Erna Solberg

Country: Norway
Population: 5,425,586
Cases: 9,568
Deaths: 256
Deaths per 1 million of population: 47

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen

Country: Denmark
Population: 5,794,334
Cases: 14,442
Deaths: 617
Deaths per 1 million of population: 106

Chancellor Angela Merkel

Country: Federal Republic of Germany
Population: 83,811,990
Cases: 216,878
Deaths: 9,261
Deaths per 1 million of population: 110

Along with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern (deaths per 1 million of population: 4), the one thing all the leaders in the above list have in common is this: They acted early and they acted tough.

Oh, and they're all women.

Now compare the above list with this sh*thole country:

Prime Minister Boris the Knobhead

Country: United Kingdumb
Population: Mostly idiots
Cases: A lot. Really, a lot.
Deaths per 1 million of population: 686 (too goddamn much!)

SO WEAR AN EFFING MASK!

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 09 Aug 2020, 00:34

A mask only covers the problem in that we import the virus social distancing had a dramatic effect but we did not lock the airports down in April may and June if we had done so in February and march we would have had 20,000 to 30,000 less deaths. A mask 4 months to late will not solve this or any problems in the world for we will import this virus again and again forever more we have to live with this virus for that is what it is, If you want to ware a face mask for the rest of your live go ahead for the virus will not go away I don't castigate anyone for wearing one it is their choice. As someone who has scientific knowledge I cannot see how these masks or face coverings will stop the spread of this or any virus common cold type or even mitigate it's prevalence in the population of the world.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 09 Aug 2020, 01:34

k979aaa wrote:As someone who has scientific knowledge I cannot see how these masks or face coverings will stop the spread of this or any virus common cold type or even mitigate it's prevalence in the population of the world.

So in that case why do doctors and dentists bother wearing masks?

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 09 Aug 2020, 01:58

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote:As someone who has scientific knowledge I cannot see how these masks or face coverings will stop the spread of this or any virus common cold type or even mitigate it's prevalence in the population of the world.
So in that case why do doctors and dentists bother wearing masks?

Depends on the mask if your talking surgical type it is to stop bodily fluids N95 type will stop most ingress and egress of small partials it still will not stop RNA which is half the size of DNA strands. Full on respirator with oxygen supply the is the gold standard if I was told this case was ebola or any airborne virus i would say this is a good default position. As for cheep masks they just clutter the drains as for face coverings we man has been on this planet for nearly 200,000 years if face coverings work since then we would all be born with them and the common cold is sill with us just another name covid19.

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 09 Aug 2020, 10:42

Masks and gloves must help but the single most important thing is to wash your hands and gloves if you use them no point in wearing a mask if you take it of and dont wash your hands or gloves. Its spread the same as a cold and we all know how they go through an office so wash hands try not to be face to face if you are be two metres apart dont share cups etc. If we all keep washing hands and being a bit more careful then there is no reason we cant contain the virus. The mass gatherings have been a disgrace football fans music events protests they have all given the virus a good chance to spread.