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Post by clashcityrocker »

aiden01 wrote: UNDERCOVER BOSS
God can you imagine him standing on the street corner at 12.30 with another half dozen full timers who won't go back into the office until their inside man gives them the all clear, just in case they have to do some more work to take them up to their finish time ?
It would be a real eye opener for him.
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norris9 wrote:Man, a huge amount of Posties are not doing van checks, cutting across peoples lawns, doorstepping, etc...because they are rushed off their feet with too much to deliver within their time. Managers know this and don't care as they know it boosts productivity by 10%+, they only care when a parcel goes missing or a van has an issue due to neglect.

Yes, this probably results in some compensation claims when parcels go missing and vans being needed to be fixed due to neglect.....but overall I'd assume that this 10%+ increase in productivity from these Posties across the UK is a positive in terms of the back pockets of RM.

I am not sure what else posties can do to become more productive, they are already having to take shortcuts, there are not many more shortcuts they can take.

Maybe RM plan to provide them with jet packs?
The reason posties cut corners is to finish early not to finish on time, they have the data from the pdas they know the route we take and when we stop when they choose to use it to cut jobs its our fault, all along the union have said to us do the job as set out by our employers and that is still the case but tomorrow i will turn up for work and the box work will be done on at least two walks when i left Saturday the d2ds were in the frame on some walks so they can get out early.
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cpsteve wrote:
norris9 wrote:Man, a huge amount of Posties are not doing van checks, cutting across peoples lawns, doorstepping, etc...because they are rushed off their feet with too much to deliver within their time. Managers know this and don't care as they know it boosts productivity by 10%+, they only care when a parcel goes missing or a van has an issue due to neglect.

Yes, this probably results in some compensation claims when parcels go missing and vans being needed to be fixed due to neglect.....but overall I'd assume that this 10%+ increase in productivity from these Posties across the UK is a positive in terms of the back pockets of RM.

I am not sure what else posties can do to become more productive, they are already having to take shortcuts, there are not many more shortcuts they can take.

Maybe RM plan to provide them with jet packs?
The reason posties cut corners is to finish early not to finish on time, they have the data from the pdas they know the route we take and when we stop when they choose to use it to cut jobs its our fault, all along the union have said to us do the job as set out by our employers and that is still the case but tomorrow i will turn up for work and the box work will be done on at least two walks when i left Saturday the d2ds were in the frame on some walks so they can get out early.

Exactly mate, same in our office. Majority of the recent new starts are the issue in the office as theres no telling them. Union rep before he stepped down advised them daily start on time etc but they refuse to. There's a guy I've been out with in recent weeks who only started couple of months ago and complains about not getting enough hours then starts 20 mins early, runs round the duty and refuses to take lunch.


If it comes to redundancies how does royal mail pick them?
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Post by DGH »

Voluntary redundancy would be on seniority.

Involuntary would be in a last in first out basis (unless, for instance, RM decided that everyone had to drive, in which case you'd have a skills-based criterion which would decide)
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Anyone reckon if there is a strong possibility of involuntary redundancies ?
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Post by itinerant »

Exactly mate, same in our office. Majority of the recent new starts are the issue in the office as there's no telling them.
That's not representative as it's the opposite in our office, some of the full timers who have been here for years dash around and finish hours before everyone else. We need to stick together, not start all this divide and rule rubbish (that's what the people at the top want!)
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Post by Celgar »

hero22 wrote:Anyone reckon if there is a strong possibility of involuntary redundancies ?
Will not be a need for redundancies involuntary of otherwise given how many posties leave each year versus how many job losses RM are aiming for.
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Post by hero22 »

itinerant wrote:
Exactly mate, same in our office. Majority of the recent new starts are the issue in the office as there's no telling them.
That's not representative as it's the opposite in our office, some of the full timers who have been here for years dash around and finish hours before everyone else. We need to stick together, not start all this divide and rule rubbish (that's what the people at the top want!)
Didn't say it was representative across the board and also there are longer serving guys in my office who r just as bad, but it has been the case where many of the new starts are refusing to come in on time , take their breaks and do the job correctly. Nothing to do with divide and rule, its simply seeing people refusing to follow simple instructions from the union which in turn will wreck this job for the majority that angers me. I don't see how anyone can stand by and support that.
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clashcityrocker wrote: God can you imagine him standing on the street corner at 12.30 with another half dozen full timers who won't go back into the office until their inside man gives them the all clear, just in case they have to do some more work to take them up to their finish time ?
It would be a real eye opener for him.
The eye-opener there would be that a minority is finished early and hang around until it's safe to return to the unit. At present they think that's all of us.

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cpsteve wrote:the union have said to us do the job as set out by our employers
And when an OPG does just that they get targeted by management and more often than not their "fellow workers" just bury their heads in the sand and then make the rounds look doable when said OPG is on day out or holiday.

Seen and experienced it.

Life can be pretty shitty in a DO if you do the job exactly as your employer says it should be done and no amount of help from the union deals with it because grievances etc don't scare managers any more. I've known of them to brag about how many they've had.
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Post by ddtc »

Do away with the over running procedure, its not like management want to use it so why should we. Lot of headaches come from judging if we can finish the workload or not on any given day.

Coming in on time, taking breaks, van checks, doing the job properly would be less stressful if we can just bring stuff back without needing to ask managers that you think you can't complete. Then management can look into walks that can't be done, they get paid enough to do jack anyway.

It would probably stop quite a few colleagues coming in early and rushing like hell to try and finish on time.

Its easy to just say do the job properly, but the hassle and stress the management put on some of our colleagues that try just isn't worth it and so a lot give in.
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ddtc wrote:Do away with the over running procedure, its not like management want to use it so why should we. Lot of headaches come from judging if we can finish the workload or not on any given day.

Coming in on time, taking breaks, van checks, doing the job properly would be less stressful if we can just bring stuff back without needing to ask managers that you think you can't complete. Then management can look into walks that can't be done, they get paid enough to do jack anyway.

Its easy to just say do the job properly, but the hassle and stress the management put on some of our colleagues that try just isn't worth it and so a lot give in.
This is a great idea in theory, but realistically, every day can be different and this would be open to abuse with posties intentionally 'slowing down'. Although you can come in each day, have a look at your duty and think it looks an average day, once you're out, a multitude of unforeseen issues can arise, causing you to be over your time. It's not workable for the managers as they're gambling on anything being brought back, and having the availability for someone to clear the work on overtime.

On the second point, it's unfortunate many people submit to the harsh treatment of managers. It's a tough slog having the daily arguments and monitoring, but the best defense is to be truthful and sticking to your guns. Coming out the other end, both parties know where they stand and there is a mutual respect. The trouble is again, many abuse the situation, leaving more that is warranted or necessary.
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Post by rambo1 »

Marshamp11 wrote:
roadrunner bill wrote:Share holders are feeling the pain..

Ask the delivery staff.. if they are feeling the pain.. from your draconian treatment..

Fairness in work leads.. these people need to do a delivery for a week.. so out of tough with delivery..
I see a documentary a few years ago about a company whos policy was that everybody in the office including management/secretaries and the guy who owned the business had to work for 2 weeks a year on the shop floor to have a better understanding on problems that are faced at the sharp end. That is the way to go. No worries I will train you Rico, bring decent footwear though its a long 6 hour slog of a delivery.
Actually, don't bring descent footwear, bring royal mail team issue. To get a true picture, blisters and aching feet to boot, ( no pun intended).
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Post by Sugar »

[quote="Alexei"On the second point, it's unfortunate many people submit to the harsh treatment of managers. It's a tough slog having the daily arguments and monitoring, but the best defense is to be truthful and sticking to your guns. Coming out the other end, both parties know where they stand and there is a mutual respect. The trouble is again, many abuse the situation, leaving more that is warranted or necessary.[/quote]

Unfortunately that's not always the case. More "respect" is shown to those that complete everyday no matter what corners are cut or O/T booked and they are then used as the benchmark that everyone else has to live up to.

Yet to see any OPG leave more than they should it's generally the other way around due to pressure off management or not wanting to go through the daily arguments about cut offs. These days you're more likely to see OPG's going slow indoors so they don't get out early to make the smaller duties look bigger than they actually are.

This is probably the only job a lot of us have ever done were you are given a hard time for doing the job as it's laid out by the company and showing managers there are issues that need sorting on certain delivery routes.
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Post by rogersh »

POSTMAN wrote:
The Video States re the discussions on the shorter working week;
"We have invoked a separate dispute resolution under the AFG agreement. This means that we have a 30-day period for both parties to continue talks. If those talks do not result in agreement, We will enter into external mediation with the CWU. This is separate to the mediation we have entered into this week."

Anyone have an idea why the SWW talks need to be separate? - I am uncertain if "Invoked" means those talks have commenced.