Don't need a leap of faith you can use an economic model to analysis what the EU is.Im hanging my hat on MMT ( modern money theory) as a way to understand membership or non membership of the EUbaldrick wrote:Well I think everyone would hope that we might actually be better off. But many doubt it. Time will tell.postslippete wrote: Because Teresa Mays withdrawal agreement was absolute b*llo*cks that's why,she was that desperate to please remainers she was even advocating another referendum. What happened to no deal is better than a bad deal?? Like I said we keep going round in circles because we won't take that leap of faith. So all we hear about are lots of scaremongering you said about jobs,health and homes. Pessimistic or what?? How do you know that in the long run we might actually be better off?
It's all very well to take a leap of faith - if you have faith. But I wouldn't take a leap of faith over a cliff edge without knowing how it will work out - which is probably badly.
What most on either side of the debate are using is an economic model that doesn't put bank and private sector debt and other aspects of the economy into their economic model and makes no distinction between productive and unproductive aspects of the economy hence why it descends into a bun fight between 2 opposing sides who are both promoting the same economic remedies and are only separated by their preference of membership or non membership of the EU.
For example all contracts in the NHS over £750k must be put out for private tender wthin the EU this bares little difference from what what a Blair,Cameron or May government would do wether members of the EU or not.
Richard Branson Virgin Health company has won over £2 Billion of NHS contracts in the last 5 years but still had the temerity to take the NHS to court in 2016 because his childcare bid in his opinion wasn't treated 'fairly'.You can argue that insurance based health systems are superior and that Branson is merely providing value for money (he isn't) but to accept that any democratically elected EU member states government cant overturn this framework and your on the wrong side of democracy.This is where the likes of Farage are making a killing on democratic points even though he wants to privatise the NHS himself (although he now on record as no longer a advocate of NHS privatisation)
Many who wish to remain say that restrictions on member states governments by the EU are a myth even though EU poster boy Guy Verhofstadt is promoting that all and not just some aspects of EU membeship will have no options to opt out in future.Lets take the recent democratically elected government in Italy whose leader makes Farage look like St Francis of Assisi but to his credit came up with a budget that targeted more money to the poorer areas who voted them into power.This budget was scrutinised and rejected by EU commissioners and forced to be altered under the threat of sanctions.
I see as much blind faith from remainers as I do from leavers.