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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Part of the induction is with a rep if not there are usually reps in every workplace.

Failing that you can join online. https://www.cwu.org/join-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That’s great, thanks.

Despite working there 12 yrs ago it all seems very new (and scary). Induction Tuesday
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crimson king wrote:It's cheaper than a pint a week....what is there to think about really?

It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. To use a fighting analogy, it doesn't matter how confident you are in the ring, always good to have decent seconds in the corner behind you.
unfortunately many peoples attitude is they can go solo, not only does it weaken our union, but these people often need help at some point and will have nowhere to turn. Plus the fact that they are in essence leeching off the union with their improved job terms from there being a union paid by others in the first place.
Without the union do people think we`d even get the contracts, sick leave, holidays and most importantly pay we get right now ? Just take a look at the upcoming news when RM will want to cut back costs ie jobs, theyd go MUCH further without a union.
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97gaz wrote: The last deal did it for me. 89.1 for change and we got a mythical 35 hour week. What a load of bollocks. All I read on here is post after post about being pressured, unpaid overtime, bullied, misled, undervalued. And we got a maybe 35 hour week that we have to squeeze 39 hrs work into.

I may decide to rejoin if there a change at the extremely well paid top tier but not with the shower we have now.

As for the leeching comment. For 40 years I was the union.
I think going by the forum isnt a great measurement of how much bullying etc there is, people tend to come to the forum to get help so the amount of negative posts is always going to far outweigh the positive. Its also a very small relative number of posts in such a big employer. This is not to say there arent problems of course.
Also, how many times are people complaining on here and havent indicated that theyve seen their rep? I think a lot of times reps arent being utilised, when a good rep would be able to sort out the majority of problems on these boards.
The same with your 39hr work in 35 hr comment, this isnt happening at my office, yes we have a good rep, if we go over we get paid, we can follow cut off procedure without intimidation. Are there bad reps who are ignoring this stuff ? Absolutely. Are the silent majority being covered for the most part ? Probably, maybe even likely. Without a union would this forum see even more posts daily about bullying etc? Definitley.
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97gaz wrote:
Postie45 wrote:
crimson king wrote:It's cheaper than a pint a week....what is there to think about really?

It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. To use a fighting analogy, it doesn't matter how confident you are in the ring, always good to have decent seconds in the corner behind you.
unfortunately many peoples attitude is they can go solo, not only does it weaken our union, but these people often need help at some point and will have nowhere to turn. Plus the fact that they are in essence leeching off the union with their improved job terms from there being a union paid by others in the first place.
Without the union do people think we`d even get the contracts, sick leave, holidays and most importantly pay we get right now ? Just take a look at the upcoming news when RM will want to cut back costs ie jobs, theyd go MUCH further without a union.
I've been in a union for 40 years out of my 45 year working life. The only time not in a union was because I was self employed. I've been a union rep 4 times in two companies including twice in this one. I've been on strike in two different companies and was a rep here during the last strike. I think I can be classed as a "union man". I think I've put my time in.

I've cancelled my subscription to the CWU. It really wasn't an easy decision and took me a couple of years to come to but I'll not have union men going round the office telling people they're having to come off their duty and be a reserve after twenty years. That's f**king managements job and it's the unions job to oppose by whatever means they can. The last deal did it for me. 89.1 for change and we got a mythical 35 hour week. What a load of bollocks. All I read on here is post after post about being pressured, unpaid overtime, bullied, misled, undervalued. And we got a maybe 35 hour week that we have to squeeze 39 hrs work into.

I may decide to rejoin if there a change at the extremely well paid top tier but not with the shower we have now.

As for the leeching comment. For 40 years I was the union.

I've always believed in a Union because a unionised workplace will always get better pay, terms and conditions than one without. I am wondering how the 35 hour week is going to work because at the moment 38 hours is only working when guys seem to come in the office over an hour early everyday. Roll on AHDC....
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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i dont get it, youd rather work 39 hrs than 35hrs for the same pay ?
Its the managers problem to get the mail out.
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Postie45 wrote:i dont get it, youd rather work 39 hrs than 35hrs for the same pay ?
Its the managers problem to get the mail out.
Well it seams we should all do 60 hours a week 7 days a week just because some managers want a decent pension for themself's whilst ours was cut from beneath us and they expect us to run ourselfs into the ground for their pensions bollocks. They created the problem let the meek get themselves out of the s**t that they created but maybe the meek will come to their rescue for that is what it is well talk about Victorian practices!
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97gaz wrote:
Postie45 wrote: Do you seriously think any company is going to let you work less hours and do less work for the same money? Royal Mail said very early into negotiations during the last deal that the reduction had to be self funding and paid for by efficiency improvements.
1 yes, as thats what they agreed to
2 they are looking at efficiency savings, things like automated parcel hubs and having parcel duties taking them off the walking postman which they see as more efficient.
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