Big changes

[hero22]

Then Your entire office is in the wrong.JHC!!!! why do you think it’s called a break?

I have 40 mins paid break a day. If I take 20 before I leave office then is it not up to me when I take rest of it ? If I chose to go home I don’t see the issue. I’ve done my work and am taking my 20 mins paid break at end of day. Will inform the 120 other staff in my office though tomorrow there all wrong. !!!!!

I don’t think it will wash.Managers will see Your going home early as far as they are concerned.

I see what your saying, just assumed it was common practice in many offices. i suppose can always sit in the canteen for final 20 minutes and have break if something is said.

[clashcityrocker]

Then Your entire office is in the wrong.JHC!!!! why do you think it’s called a break?

The Way Forward Agreement specifically states that a 40 minute break can be split 20/20 and that the final 20 minutes can be taken at the end.
You also do not need to stay for the purpose of signing out.
There is only one person who is in the wrong. JHC.

[citypostie]

I've never understood why RM pay people overtime everyday to do IPS work (where 'losing' indoor work apparently), surely the CWU should fight tooth and nail to stop this.
Essentially forcing some of us to finish early (not everybody)

You're saying the union should be fighting tooth and nail to stop members earning extra money? Why to save royal mail money? Now if you had said they should be arguing that if them hours of ips are needed everyday of every week then some parttimers should be made up to full time to get the work done then you'd have a point. If they only get people in when the traffic forecast says they need more indoor resource they aren't really doing anything wrong and giving people a chance to earn some easy indoor ot

[redneck]

Regarding the PDA Actuals and implementation by management, the DO where I work has a local agreement which states that the whole break or part break must be taken during the working day not added on as o/t or allowed as an early dart. However the Way Forward Agreement, which overrides this, does back up the early dart before scheduled finish time by 20 mins only.

We have been recommended to not take the break at the end as this can be used as a reason, when duties are being scrutinised on the PDA Actuals, for suggestions of double booking of said break (i.e. going 20 mins early having already taken it) and also fraudulant claiming of overtime (when going over finishing time and then adding on a break already taken). If people take their breaks during their duty (or work, like many places of work) then there is complete clarity over what you are doing. And they will find it very difficult to conduct you in any way for time spent on a duty.

[yubin282]

I've never understood why RM pay people overtime everyday to do IPS work (where 'losing' indoor work apparently), surely the CWU should fight tooth and nail to stop this.
Essentially forcing some of us to finish early (not everybody)

You're saying the union should be fighting tooth and nail to stop members earning extra money? Why to save royal mail money? Now if you had said they should be arguing that if them hours of ips are needed everyday of every week then some parttimers should be made up to full time to get the work done then you'd have a point. If they only get people in when the traffic forecast says they need more indoor resource they aren't really doing anything wrong and giving people a chance to earn some easy indoor ot

early start 4AM OT everyday (even on tuesdays and the days in between XMAS and NY when theres nothing in) has been the norm in my office for at least 3 years (always the same full timers doing it, DOM favourites)

they do the IPS so we get out on delivery 30-45 mins earlier, if this didn't happen there would be no lapsing (basically there terrified that we hand back)

no were not short staffed, just a crap DOM and crap CWU rep

and yes i do believe that all overtime should be offered to part-timers first

[steve1873]

Then Your entire office is in the wrong.JHC!!!! why do you think it’s called a break?

I have 40 mins paid break a day. If I take 20 before I leave office then is it not up to me when I take rest of it ? If I chose to go home I don’t see the issue. I’ve done my work and am taking my 20 mins paid break at end of day. Will inform the 120 other staff in my office though tomorrow there all wrong. !!!!!

I don’t think it will wash.Managers will see Your going home early as far as they are concerned.

You are entitled to take the second twenty minute break at the end of your duty after you have returned to the DO.

Yes you are. However the PDA actual data will not recognise that and simply see the person returning to DO well ahead of scheduled time and flag up potential savings!

[leolion855]

i dont see how,, because the actual data should show you stopped for twenty minutes in one location for your break, if it doesn't its obvious that your having it end of shift

[scoobydo79]

Then Your entire office is in the wrong.JHC!!!! why do you think it’s called a break?

The Way Forward Agreement specifically states that a 40 minute break can be split 20/20 and that the final 20 minutes can be taken at the end.
You also do not need to stay for the purpose of signing out.
There is only one person who is in the wrong. JHC.

Yeah fine then.Use it or loose it.Letst all sign out 20 minits early.Show Royal Mail how easy the job is and how unnecessary a break in the day is.

[leolion855]

Then Your entire office is in the wrong.JHC!!!! why do you think it’s called a break?

The Way Forward Agreement specifically states that a 40 minute break can be split 20/20 and that the final 20 minutes can be taken at the end.
You also do not need to stay for the purpose of signing out.
There is only one person who is in the wrong. JHC.

Yeah fine then.Use it or loose it.Let's all sign out 20 minutes early.Show Royal Mail how easy the job is and how unnecessary a break in the day is.

pt staff legally aren't entitled to it,

Rest breaks at work
Workers have the right to one uninterrupted 20 minute rest break during their working day if they work more than 6 hours a day. This could be a tea or lunch break.

The break doesn’t have to be paid - it depends on their employment contract.

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[marzipan]

i've heard rumors of p/t on 24 hour contracts will have a start time of 9:45?

[number one]

i've heard rumors of p/t on 24 hour contracts will have a start time of 9:45?

24hr staff at my office start at 9:35

[clashcityrocker]

24hr staff at my office start at 9:35

But how many of their 24 contracted hours do they actually work?
If as you claim you can be out of the door at 8.30 why are your p/t staff starting an hour after they need to?

[marzipan]

i've heard rumors of p/t on 24 hour contracts will have a start time of 9:45?

24hr staff at my office start at 9:35

what time are you getting done? feels like us part timers are getting shafted!

[ripio]

pt staff legally aren't entitled to it,

Depends if they work six hours or more in a day, plenty part timers do.

[aiden01]

i've heard rumors of p/t on 24 hour contracts will have a start time of 9:45?

24hr staff at my office start at 9:35

what time are you getting done? feels like us part timers are getting shafted!

Usually 2 hours before his duty ends.