signing out

notgoodanymore · Post by **notgoodanymore** » 04 Jun 2017, 13:42

Are you saying everyone should be using a trolley?
And not carring the bag ?
Thanks

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 04 Jun 2017, 13:55

Nichola wrote:I'm never back early, always a few hours over, do you then just go home and leave your other work til the next day?

What other work? You hand in keys, PDA dump bags and any P739'd packets missorts etc and look at the clock. Is it your finishing time or after? If yes you fill in the overtime sheet (or inform your manager of overtime, offices vary in this ) and go home.

You come in the next day. You are meant to fill bags sort packets and go, if you can't do this due to prep not being completed, grab your manager and ask him what he wants you to do. If you do someone elses work for 30 minutes (such as prepping your frame inc door to doors) then you leave 30 mins work behine or tell the manager you'll be claiming 30 mins overtime IN ADDITION to any other overtime you need to claim for getting back late.

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 04 Jun 2017, 14:13

Nichola wrote:I can't really sit in the van though and take a break while they work on. What's lwt? It's just all very daunting atm, was told we would just be going in lifting our stuff and going but now I'm more or less in charge of a frame and sorting parcels and putting together d2ds if I start at 8:30 then I'm more or less the last to leave and my van share person is waiting.

LWT is a Light Weight Trolley. You know those mandatory pieces of equipment to be used on deliveries

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 05 Jun 2017, 09:13

Nichola wrote:I can't really sit in the van though and take a break while they work on. What's lwt? It's just all very daunting atm, was told we would just be going in lifting our stuff and going but now I'm more or less in charge of a frame and sorting parcels and putting together d2ds if I start at 8:30 then I'm more or less the last to leave and my van share person is waiting.

why ? when I work with anybody like that who doesn't want a break , I sit in the van and have mine bollocks to them , and if they don't want to use a light weight trolley and run round with bags on there back , wait in the van till I get back , don't let these people put you under pressure to start early , run round , no breaks , not use lwt , tell them if they have a problem with the way you work lets go see the dim with the cwu rep and sort it out ,

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 05 Jun 2017, 09:15

notgoodanymore wrote:Are you saying everyone should be using a trolley?
And not carring the bag ?
Thanks

oh yes , unless it was built into your duty and the reason why , ie no foot path , flats etc.

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 05 Jun 2017, 19:03

worktotime wrote:
Nichola wrote:I can't really sit in the van though and take a break while they work on. What's lwt? It's just all very daunting atm, was told we would just be going in lifting our stuff and going but now I'm more or less in charge of a frame and sorting parcels and putting together d2ds if I start at 8:30 then I'm more or less the last to leave and my van share person is waiting.
why ? when I work with anybody like that who doesn't want a break , I sit in the van and have mine bollocks to them , and if they don't want to use a light weight trolley and run round with bags on there back , wait in the van till I get back , don't let these people put you under pressure to start early , run round , no breaks , not use lwt , tell them if they have a problem with the way you work lets go see the dim with the cwu rep and sort it out ,

yeah people feel pressured into not holding their partner up, at the end of the day its up to you to do the job properly, if the other person doesnt like it, then its their fault for cutting corners not taking breaks, its because of people like this the job is getting worse and worse.

postman_jack · Post by **postman_jack** » 10 Jul 2018, 15:15

Is there anywhere in any of the active agreements that says everyone must return to the office and sign out? If so can somebody point me to it

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 10 Jul 2018, 16:06

i dont think this kind of thing has to be "agreed" its a reasonable request and i dont see the CWU arguing against it unless theres an obvious issue which gives unusual hardship to posties.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 10 Jul 2018, 16:07

postman_jack wrote:Is there anywhere in any of the active agreements that says everyone must return to the office and sign out? If so can somebody point me to it

There isn't as far as I know anything specific as you ask. It would be covered under the "reasonable request" stuff.

However, IIRC the way forward agreement has something in about it that if taking a 20minute break at the end of a shift there is no requirement to return to the office just for the purposes of signing out. I Will check it out and link in this thread.

If you are thinking about challenging it the Union could enter a disagreement and use the Custom and Practice argument to return to the status quo. However, in the end, you will still probably have to return to the office at the end of a shift. Mind you in the disagreement you could always have a counterproposal that a manager has to remain in the office till all OPGs have returned.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 10 Jul 2018, 16:12

as per above

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Breaks at the beginning or end of attendance

Where an attendance is provided with more than one break, the second break may be scheduled at the beginning or end, in which case attendance is not required solely for booking on or off. A single break should not be scheduled at the beginning or end of the attendance.

postman_jack · Post by **postman_jack** » 11 Jul 2018, 14:49

I wanted to know for the opposite reason. We want everyone to return to the office and sign out. To many selfish people taking advantage of others.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 11 Jul 2018, 21:51

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
postman_jack wrote:Is there anywhere in any of the active agreements that says everyone must return to the office and sign out? If so can somebody point me to it
There isn't as far as I know anything specific as you ask. It would be covered under the "reasonable request" stuff.

However, IIRC the way forward agreement has something in about it that if taking a 20minute break at the end of a shift there is no requirement to return to the office just for the purposes of signing out. I Will check it out and link in this thread.

If you are thinking about challenging it the Union could enter a disagreement and use the Custom and Practice argument to return to the status quo. However, in the end, you will still probably have to return to the office at the end of a shift. Mind you in the disagreement you could always have a counterproposal that a manager has to remain in the office till all OPGs have returned.

Recorded, tracked, and SD items which have been P739 have to be returned to the office on the same day ideally to be scanned back into the callers office. PDAs really need to be returned and placed into the cradles to be recharged for the next day. Also you really have to sign yourself off to say you have completed the delivery and sign again to say you have left the office. In addition if you don't have permission to take the van home it would have to be returned to the yard. Taking a van home with mail left in it is also a security issue and you are possibly leaving yourself open to accusations of theft or loss of items. In short it makes sense to return to the DO after finishing your delivery.

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 14 Jul 2018, 22:46

postman_jack wrote:I wanted to know for the opposite reason. We want everyone to return to the office and sign out. To many selfish people taking advantage of others.

with the PDA tracking now fully implemented i wouldnt worry about these people anymore theyre likely to be flagged up before too long.

Post by **greengiant** » 15 Jul 2018, 17:37

Postie45 wrote:
postman_jack wrote:I wanted to know for the opposite reason. We want everyone to return to the office and sign out. To many selfish people taking advantage of others.
with the PDA tracking now fully implemented i wouldnt worry about these people anymore theyre likely to be flagged up before too long.

And they'll probably still get offered 4 hours to do two rows on overtime, and still get done before their official duty time...

Post by **azza30** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:40

notgoodanymore wrote:Are you saying everyone should be using a trolley?
And not carring the bag ?
Thanks

Yes. Otherwise you may work faster, so you get given more work. If you don't complete, Cut Off - The round is too long for your hours.

To the original poster, RM will tell you nothing and will try to convince you you have to work overtime, do lapsing, entitled to less break than you should, put you with non - break takers to make life awkward. They are very well trained in taking the pish. 500 years of experience and they don't seem to get it - Start time - Break time - Finish Time. Also they can't do simple maths

PT 5hours -(1/2 hour break + 15 min walk to start + 15 minutes walk back to DO + 15 - 30mins T DO waiting for trolley/ Collecting specials/ Returning Packets) = 3.5hours to complete the round. Now factor in pushing Trolley door to door, locking up, waiting for elderly to answer, knocking on neighbours, writing dockets (I mean doing job how RM procrastinate it to be done) and that's why rounds are to big!