LTB 059/18 Pay and Four Pillars Agreement : Please read the attachment! : Agreement enclosed!

Rumple · Post by **Rumple** » 02 Feb 2018, 12:40

Dingo, I understand that the offer on the table is the best deal that the CWU could negotiate, but do you truly believe it is a good deal?
7% over 3 years will effectively leave less money in our pockets after the bills have been paid, will it not?

1scfc · Post by **1scfc** » 02 Feb 2018, 14:22

There seems to be endless discussion on pay and shorter working week, part timers but what about the PENSION. Is this deal a smoke screen. If I am correct the NRA has increased now to 67 (2 more years) , a scheme that isn't even agreed by parliament yet. . I think we all need more detail on the breakdown of the pension as a whole.

Post by **RobertT** » 02 Feb 2018, 14:43

1scfc wrote:There seems to be endless discussion on pay and shorter working week, part timers but what about the PENSION. Is this deal a smoke screen. If I am correct the NRA has increased now to 67 (2 more years) , a scheme that isn't even agreed by parliament yet. . I think we all need more detail on the breakdown of the pension as a whole.

Take a look at the pensions forum

Post by **Sugar** » 02 Feb 2018, 15:04

Correct me if I'm reading this deal wrong but doesn't it state that a reduction in hours and future pay rises are not guaranteed unless we implement trials of new ways of working and those trials being implemented which is no different to what RM previously offered last time?

Can't see anything that mentions a change of the bullying culture within DO's or a better way to sort out the over running procedure which is chaotic and a recipe for a bun fight every time you mention cutting off.

Danelectro · Post by **Danelectro** » 02 Feb 2018, 15:09

fishtank wrote:A shorter working week is not a pay rise to a full time member of staff, that's the killer.

Yeah the hourly rate gets a pay rise so to speak but basic take home pay for F/T hours in delivery will be less in real terms unless inflation significantly falls by year 3.

gary1975 · Post by **gary1975** » 02 Feb 2018, 15:23

The implications of data capture are quite worrying

Post by **kevbo** » 02 Feb 2018, 15:53

Danelectro wrote:
fishtank wrote:A shorter working week is not a pay rise to a full time member of staff, that's the killer.
Yeah the hourly rate gets a pay rise so to speak but basic take home pay for F/T hours in delivery will be less in real terms unless inflation significantly falls by year 3.

Dare I suggest doing an hours overtime? So your effectively doing the same hours with an hours overtime in pocket

lambe720 · Post by **lambe720** » 02 Feb 2018, 15:55

What about former Romec employees? How does this deal impact them?

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 02 Feb 2018, 16:00

kevbo wrote:Dare I suggest doing an hours overtime? So your effectively doing the same hours with an hours overtime in pocket

Just what the overtime pool needs, more hungry full-time sharks.
That's the answer.

claretandblue · Post by **claretandblue** » 02 Feb 2018, 16:09

Even the stock market had priced in a 3% pay rise, that's why the share price shot up yesterday.

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 02 Feb 2018, 17:12

dingo wrote:The offer would have been 2.6% from April 2017 and 2% from April 2019.

The total sum for 5% over the 18 months is worth on basic pay and delivery supplement £1700.40 and

Where as the 2.6% over two years and the 2% for 2018/19 is worth £1643.72

So the 5% is better over 18 months

not for those liek me who are pt and work alot of ot to amke ends meet.

i lose 6 months of ot that should have been backdated from april.

all part timers lose

Post by **kevbo** » 02 Feb 2018, 17:34

lightningpostman wrote:
dingo wrote:The offer would have been 2.6% from April 2017 and 2% from April 2019.

The total sum for 5% over the 18 months is worth on basic pay and delivery supplement £1700.40 and

Where as the 2.6% over two years and the 2% for 2018/19 is worth £1643.72

So the 5% is better over 18 months
not for those liek me who are pt and work alot of ot to amke ends meet.

i lose 6 months of ot that should have been backdated from april.

all part timers lose

But you gain the 6 months at a higher rate (5%) from October to April

toomuchcoke · Post by **toomuchcoke** » 02 Feb 2018, 17:42

shaunman wrote:The pensions are going to change every 3-5 years from now on I would imagine for the whole country not just us. My top tips areget your mortgage paid off as quick as possible, change your gas and electric every year and don’t buy cars on finance

Two thoughts spring to mind :-

1. Buying a car on finance can depending upon the deal be cheaper than buying the same car for cash.
2. If you really want to save money, don't bother buying a car at all!

datasaint · Post by **datasaint** » 02 Feb 2018, 17:59

gary1975 wrote:The implications of data capture are quite worrying

Worrying how? If you're making 2 hours a day on a "full time" duty then yes be worried, but for everybody else it's just a case of working your hours nothing more nothing less.

gary1975 · Post by **gary1975** » 02 Feb 2018, 18:19

norm wrote:
gary1975 wrote:The implications of data capture are quite worrying
Worrying how? If you're making 2 hours a day on a "full time" duty then yes be worried, but for everybody else it's just a case of working your hours nothing more nothing less.

I'm not worried,some of the dinosaurs in my office will be,no more cups of tea and a hours kip trying to hide until finish time i think its a great idea weed out the wheat from the chaff