PDA Update to include use of camera

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 21 May 2018, 21:38

Camera app on my PDA started randomly appearing about a month ago, there were a lot of other apps as well but it crashes before i get a chance to look at them properly

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 21 May 2018, 22:06

No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.

Jpro747 · Post by **Jpro747** » 21 May 2018, 22:08

I’ve seen other couriers taking photos of parcels left on doorsteps

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 22 May 2018, 16:46

rubberbond wrote:
Celgar wrote:
Jpro747 wrote:So much for first time delivery. I think this will just increase the amount of p739s left. A good deal of parcels currently get left in sheds, greenhouses etc but they’re not technically safe places if they’re always left unlocked.
Exactly. So much stuff will be brought back they won't know what to do with it if this idea goes through.
That's their problem not mine. I cannot see how delivering to a neighbour is any safer than a shed,etc. I've stated it before, I will not try neighbours, for several reasons, first is the embarrassment of a refusal, second is time and third, but probably should be first, security, I don't know, if I'm a reserve, who gets on with who in a particular street far better to bring it back. Anyway , what about these new data protection rules, how does taking a photo fit with this? What are they doing with the photos? What if it's a "special address " etc etc.

You are lucky that your manager has not pulled you up on it trying a neighbour is not optional.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 22 May 2018, 17:15

Sounds like a very bad idea.

I can't see how taking a pic of a parcel in a porch is any more safer than leaving it with a neighbour. The customer can refuse acknowledgement and/or the PDA could fail to update to comms. All it does is create more work for the postie and we do enough as it is. Just because other couriers do it, doesnt mean to say that we should do it. A much better idea is to inform the customer when the item is likely to be delivered and then there is a very high percentage that the parcel will get delivered. And the more accurate and precise the delivery time slot the higher the percentage of 1st time delivery.

number one · Post by **number one** » 22 May 2018, 18:11

Sir Henry wrote:No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.

It’s not illegal

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 22 May 2018, 19:52

eastie wrote:If there not in I write out a p739 ,no neighbours, no in a safe place etc.
If they moan I say I will not doorstep packets and parcels like couriors.
NO COMPLAINTS

same, someone had left to a note on their door today to leave it in a safe place.... nope

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 22 May 2018, 19:53

what exactly is the point of the photo ? all it proves is the parcel was there at a certain time. Other than that its useless, heck the postie could take a pic and keep it himself if he wanted.... stupid idea.

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 23 May 2018, 19:26

You are lucky that your manager has not pulled you up on it trying a neighbour is not optional.[/quote]
I’ve had this discussion with managers before, yes it is optional,because it’s down to my judgement.

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 25 May 2018, 14:18

number one wrote:
Sir Henry wrote:No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.
It’s not illegal

In the United Kingdom there are no laws forbidding photography of private property from a public place.[1] Photography on private land is not restricted if the landowner has given permission. However, landowners are permitted to impose any conditions they wish upon entry to a property, including forbidding or restricting photography.

Illegal? No. Have RM actually given any thought as to how much Hassle this may cause us and them? Also no. A big one.

WalkingDad · Post by **WalkingDad** » 25 May 2018, 14:39

I have a customer who orders parcels almost every day. He is never in, even on Saturday. His neighbour is a little old lady who finds it hard to get to about. She will take parcels in for them but is visibly distressed by doing so. Started 739ing ages ago customer is happy as he goes and gets all his stuff in one go at his convenience. Neighbour also happy as she doesn't have to keep answering the door. First time delivery is not always what's best for the customer!

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 25 May 2018, 14:53

Customer is the sender not the addressee! But when did RM ever give a flying f**k at a rolling donut about what's best for them? It's always been about the size of the screws' bonuses.

DELIVERY TO NEIGHBOUR.

Parcel merchant who's never home = happy

RM can advertise high percentage of 1st time deliveries = happy

Neighbours ponced off by RM and any other courier and serial absentee parcel orderers = v unhappy.

It's high time CWU tackled workload not fiddling with pointless unasked for bullshit like 1 HR less work time per week?
Who here thought to themselves, You know what would make life easier? A whole hour off the working week,?
No f****r, that's who.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 25 May 2018, 15:17

Sir Henry wrote: Who here thought to themselves, You know what would make life easier? A whole hour off the working week,?
No f****r, that's who.

Who here thought I want to extend my delivery span ro accommodate the introduction of more automation.
No f****r that's who.
Who here thought let's all go part time
No f****r that's who.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 25 May 2018, 15:20

The real problem with the use of the camera would be the idiots that take pictures of themselves instead of what they are supposed to be taking a picture of.
It would only take one picture to go viral and then everyone would be at it.
And then who would own the intellectual property rights of any of these photos?
The monkey?

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 25 May 2018, 16:52

WalkingDad wrote:I have a customer who orders parcels almost every day. He is never in, even on Saturday. His neighbour is a little old lady who finds it hard to get to about. She will take parcels in for them but is visibly distressed by doing so. Started 739ing ages ago customer is happy as he goes and gets all his stuff in one go at his convenience. Neighbour also happy as she doesn't have to keep answering the door. First time delivery is not always what's best for the customer!

RM considers the customer to be the big corporate sender. They want an impressive stat to throw around when fishing for business.