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A2B
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Camera app on my PDA started randomly appearing about a month ago, there were a lot of other apps as well but it crashes before i get a chance to look at them properly
Sir Henry
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No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.
"A third of the world's farmland is now useless due to soil degradation, yet we still keep producing mouths to feed. And what's you answer to that? Energy saving lightbulbs?"
Jpro747
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I’ve seen other couriers taking photos of parcels left on doorsteps :left:
cpsteve
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Post by cpsteve »

rubberbond wrote:
Celgar wrote:
Jpro747 wrote:So much for first time delivery. I think this will just increase the amount of p739s left. A good deal of parcels currently get left in sheds, greenhouses etc but they’re not technically safe places if they’re always left unlocked.
Exactly. So much stuff will be brought back they won't know what to do with it if this idea goes through.
That's their problem not mine. I cannot see how delivering to a neighbour is any safer than a shed,etc. I've stated it before, I will not try neighbours, for several reasons, first is the embarrassment of a refusal, second is time and third, but probably should be first, security, I don't know, if I'm a reserve, who gets on with who in a particular street far better to bring it back. Anyway , what about these new data protection rules, how does taking a photo fit with this? What are they doing with the photos? What if it's a "special address " etc etc.
You are lucky that your manager has not pulled you up on it trying a neighbour is not optional.
postslippete
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Sounds like a very bad idea.

I can't see how taking a pic of a parcel in a porch is any more safer than leaving it with a neighbour. The customer can refuse acknowledgement and/or the PDA could fail to update to comms. All it does is create more work for the postie and we do enough as it is. Just because other couriers do it, doesnt mean to say that we should do it. A much better idea is to inform the customer when the item is likely to be delivered and then there is a very high percentage that the parcel will get delivered. And the more accurate and precise the delivery time slot the higher the percentage of 1st time delivery.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
number one
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Sir Henry wrote:No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.
It’s not illegal
Postie45
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eastie wrote:If there not in I write out a p739 ,no neighbours, no in a safe place etc.
If they moan I say I will not doorstep packets and parcels like couriors.
NO COMPLAINTS
same, someone had left to a note on their door today to leave it in a safe place.... nope
Postie45
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what exactly is the point of the photo ? all it proves is the parcel was there at a certain time. Other than that its useless, heck the postie could take a pic and keep it himself if he wanted.... stupid idea.
rubberbond
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You are lucky that your manager has not pulled you up on it trying a neighbour is not optional.[/quote]
I’ve had this discussion with managers before, yes it is optional,because it’s down to my judgement.
Sir Henry
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number one wrote:
Sir Henry wrote:No taking photos on people's private property without express permission.
None of this implied permission ' oh they agreed as its part of the conditions of us delivering". If it's sent via another party ie a shop or seller how could the recipient have given permission? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen and I hope it does.
It’s not illegal
In the United Kingdom there are no laws forbidding photography of private property from a public place.[1] Photography on private land is not restricted if the landowner has given permission. However, landowners are permitted to impose any conditions they wish upon entry to a property, including forbidding or restricting photography.

Illegal? No. Have RM actually given any thought as to how much Hassle this may cause us and them? Also no. A big one.
"A third of the world's farmland is now useless due to soil degradation, yet we still keep producing mouths to feed. And what's you answer to that? Energy saving lightbulbs?"
WalkingDad
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Post by WalkingDad »

I have a customer who orders parcels almost every day. He is never in, even on Saturday. His neighbour is a little old lady who finds it hard to get to about. She will take parcels in for them but is visibly distressed by doing so. Started 739ing ages ago customer is happy as he goes and gets all his stuff in one go at his convenience. Neighbour also happy as she doesn't have to keep answering the door. First time delivery is not always what's best for the customer!
Sir Henry
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Customer is the sender not the addressee! But when did RM ever give a flying f**k at a rolling donut about what's best for them? It's always been about the size of the screws' bonuses.

DELIVERY TO NEIGHBOUR.

Parcel merchant who's never home = happy

RM can advertise high percentage of 1st time deliveries = happy

Neighbours ponced off by RM and any other courier and serial absentee parcel orderers = v unhappy.

It's high time CWU tackled workload not fiddling with pointless unasked for bullshit like 1 HR less work time per week?
Who here thought to themselves, You know what would make life easier? A whole hour off the working week,?
No f****r, that's who.
"A third of the world's farmland is now useless due to soil degradation, yet we still keep producing mouths to feed. And what's you answer to that? Energy saving lightbulbs?"
clashcityrocker
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Sir Henry wrote: Who here thought to themselves, You know what would make life easier? A whole hour off the working week,?
No f****r, that's who.
Who here thought I want to extend my delivery span ro accommodate the introduction of more automation.
No f****r that's who.
Who here thought let's all go part time
No f****r that's who.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
clashcityrocker
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The real problem with the use of the camera would be the idiots that take pictures of themselves instead of what they are supposed to be taking a picture of.
It would only take one picture to go viral and then everyone would be at it.
And then who would own the intellectual property rights of any of these photos?
The monkey?
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
LaggyBand
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Post by LaggyBand »

WalkingDad wrote:I have a customer who orders parcels almost every day. He is never in, even on Saturday. His neighbour is a little old lady who finds it hard to get to about. She will take parcels in for them but is visibly distressed by doing so. Started 739ing ages ago customer is happy as he goes and gets all his stuff in one go at his convenience. Neighbour also happy as she doesn't have to keep answering the door. First time delivery is not always what's best for the customer!
RM considers the customer to be the big corporate sender. They want an impressive stat to throw around when fishing for business.