Just want to work my hours

peshwaarinaan · Post by **peshwaarinaan** » 19 Feb 2018, 14:37

I'm in the same boat. Waiting for the battle tomorrow when I go in at 9 and tell them I'm finishing at 2.

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 19 Feb 2018, 15:52

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=18563 OVERRUNNING DELIVERIES OPG NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE

WHICH NEEDS TO BE REVISED

ITS A CONSTANT BATTLE

Post by **rambo1** » 19 Feb 2018, 15:57

Tell the most reasonable manager in your office that for personal reasons you have to be finished by 2pm. You don't have to go into detail. Make the most of your 2pm finish time, because it isn't going to last as well, it'll be 3 or 4pm soon enough.surpised it's not 3pm already. GL. Remember, you're a human being and should be treated as one. Have you any work place coaches with the gumption to stand up for you?

awesomepenguin · Post by **awesomepenguin** » 19 Feb 2018, 16:00

The first paragraph of the "Overrunning Delivery Procedure" says:

In order to comply with our Licence conditions we must ensure that that we adhere to the Universal Service Obligation (USO) of “at least one delivery of relevant postal packets is made every working day to the home or premises of every individual or other person in the United Kingdom or to such identifiable points for the delivery of relevant postal packets within that area as Postcomm may approve in writing”.

Well here is an idea....how about Royal Mail staffing their delivery offices properly and stop relying on overtime, then we will adhere to the USO!

It's not rocket science!

Post by **Pathfinder** » 19 Feb 2018, 16:52

Out of all the part timers in our office there’s only one that gets his round prepped and he’s a buddy of the DOM, coincidence?

Is there anything in writing that says P/Ters should be getting their rounds prepped? Would be interesting to read if there was!

I feel your pain OP most of us have been there and nothing gets done about it.

Matt123 · Post by **Matt123** » 21 Feb 2018, 00:15

Thanks for the advice guys
The Dom is uselessin our office
The full timers tell our dom they ain't gonna do any over Time if they have to prep
"IVE been here for 15 years i ain't doing it" and if they are asked to do it they say that its harassment
" why you asking me and not him"
I've never been on a walk or drive for more then 4 or 5 days and thrown around the office (which I know is my job) but they have got to realise that I can't complete a new walk or a walk I've done 3 months ago for a couple of days and complete as well as throwing up my walk.
I've had to start at 7.00 to get my work done
I don't know where in stand some guys help me out but so I uselly do as I am asked
I know I'm gonna snap soon and problem lose my job.

peshwaarinaan · Post by **peshwaarinaan** » 21 Feb 2018, 17:09

I told them this morning that I wasn't going over today. I left a load of mail in and finished on time. Happy days

Tomolo208 · Post by **Tomolo208** » 21 Feb 2018, 19:53

Matt don't let it get you down and it reallyyyyyy isn't worth getting yourself in bother by over reacting. It does get better I promise, but you need to start cutting off (otherwise things won't change for you). Management need the mail delivered. If you start refusing overtime they will ensure your job is prepped.

It's ok to stand up for yourself. Speak to your union rep or area rep.

Matt123 · Post by **Matt123** » 21 Feb 2018, 20:50

Tomolo208 wrote:Matt don't let it get you down and it reallyyyyyy isn't worth getting yourself in bother by over reacting. It does get better I promise, but you need to start cutting off (otherwise things won't change for you). Management need the mail delivered. If you start refusing overtime they will ensure your job is prepped.

It's ok to stand up for yourself. Speak to your union rep or area rep.

Thank you

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 22 Feb 2018, 14:44

In fact, I would go one further and say that its almost a requirement to say "No" at least once to managers in Royal Mail, even if its just to show you aren't a walkover. By all means be flexible, accommodating and willing, but don't be a patsy.

superports · Post by **superports** » 22 Feb 2018, 17:23

I agree wholeheartedly with TBT, it's good to say no, even just to show them that they can't rely on you to cover their shortcomings. We need to get out of the mindset that completing a delivery is our responsibility, it's not! I used to work in a factory, and once my finish time came, I was out of there. I didn't care if whatever it was I was producing was finished or not. Somehow RM instil a fear in new starts along with a belief that we have to cover their ass daily.

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 22 Feb 2018, 18:04

superports wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with TBT, it's good to say no, even just to show them that they can't rely on you to cover their shortcomings. We need to get out of the mindset that completing a delivery is our responsibility, it's not! I used to work in a factory, and once my finish time came, I was out of there. I didn't care if whatever it was I was producing was finished or not. Somehow RM instil a fear in new starts along with a belief that we have to cover their ass daily.

So you employ someone and he goes home early on a regular basis then when you are busy he downs tools do you- A stop letting him go home early/find him other work/more work to do or B let him take the p###. Give and take is common sense if you are working over 39hrs then your workload needs looking at, you have every right to get it adjusted and cutting off is the only way to bring attention to it of course you must inform your manager before you leave the office.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 22 Feb 2018, 18:49

cpsteve wrote:
superports wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with TBT, it's good to say no, even just to show them that they can't rely on you to cover their shortcomings. We need to get out of the mindset that completing a delivery is our responsibility, it's not! I used to work in a factory, and once my finish time came, I was out of there. I didn't care if whatever it was I was producing was finished or not. Somehow RM instil a fear in new starts along with a belief that we have to cover their ass daily.
So you employ someone and he goes home early on a regular basis then when you are busy he downs tools do you- A stop letting him go home early/find him other work/more work to do or B let him take the p###. Give and take is common sense if you are working over 39hrs then your workload needs looking at, you have every right to get it adjusted and cutting off is the only way to bring attention to it of course you must inform your manager before you leave the office.

But he wasn't suggesting anyone take the piss.

All we suggested is that SOMETIMES saying NO is okay, especially if you think they are taking the piss.

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 22 Feb 2018, 20:47

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
cpsteve wrote:
superports wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with TBT, it's good to say no, even just to show them that they can't rely on you to cover their shortcomings. We need to get out of the mindset that completing a delivery is our responsibility, it's not! I used to work in a factory, and once my finish time came, I was out of there. I didn't care if whatever it was I was producing was finished or not. Somehow RM instil a fear in new starts along with a belief that we have to cover their ass daily.
So you employ someone and he goes home early on a regular basis then when you are busy he downs tools do you- A stop letting him go home early/find him other work/more work to do or B let him take the p###. Give and take is common sense if you are working over 39hrs then your workload needs looking at, you have every right to get it adjusted and cutting off is the only way to bring attention to it of course you must inform your manager before you leave the office.
But he wasn't suggesting anyone take the piss.

All we suggested is that SOMETIMES saying NO is okay, especially if you think they are taking the piss.

And thats what i said if your workload is to much the only way in most cases to get it adjusted is to cut off, if you finish early most days IMO it is taking the p### bringing work back but thats just me ive worked flexible hours and as long as you have a good management/worker relationship it works fine.

superports · Post by **superports** » 22 Feb 2018, 21:12

cpsteve wrote:
superports wrote: So you employ someone and he goes home early on a regular basis then when you are busy he downs tools do you- A stop letting him go home early/find him other work/more work to do or B let him take the p###. Give and take is common sense if you are working over 39hrs then your workload needs looking at, you have every right to get it adjusted and cutting off is the only way to bring attention to it of course you must inform your manager before you leave the office.

Are you advocating a return to RM banking hours?
If I employed someone I would ensure he would have enough work to fill his contracted hours. I would also ask him if he can work overtime rather than expect him to do it.
If I am finished early and a manager wants me to work to my time by doing something else, I have no problem whatsoever with that. However, on a light day if I'm asked to work to my time I will be asking how many other people have been asked to do the same and how some people, on a light day, can come back at the same time as a normal day but I get "penalised" for being honest/efficient.
Also, if RM want me to work to my time during the lighter weeks, I'll be more than happy to work to my time during the heavier weeks.