Views on CWU meeting yesterday in Liverpool

UrbanPirate · Post by **UrbanPirate** » 17 Oct 2017, 06:09

wdo1256 wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote:There is little to no appetite to strike in my office in December. Not to mention the damage it would do to our reputation. It would be unforgivable to our customers. The CWU and people on this forum need to get Striking in December out of their heads. It would be embarrassing. Call a Strike, Nobody strikes. Plus, What is the obsession with striking? We don't want to strike. We want mediation to work and get a result so we can move on. Talk of RM making concessions. Guess what fellas, We are also going to have to make a few ourselves. If not, I am certain they are willing and capable to fight us, grind it out and push through the changes anyway. At best its about damage limitation now.

The point that was made at the meeting was that Royal Mail went to the courts and called for mediation not the CWU, therefore the ball is in there court to make concessions, otherwise what was the point of going to court in the first place.
Royal Mail is also under pressure to come to an agreement, from the government, shareholders, companies that use us to name a few.

if that is truly the attitude from CWU leadership we are in trouble. Wrong on so many levels.

UrbanPirate · Post by **UrbanPirate** » 17 Oct 2017, 06:10

terry2972 wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote:There is little to no appetite to strike in my office in December. Not to mention the damage it would do to our reputation. It would be unforgivable to our customers. The CWU and people on this forum need to get Striking in December out of their heads. It would be embarrassing. Call a Strike, Nobody strikes. Plus, What is the obsession with striking? We don't want to strike. We want mediation to work and get a result so we can move on. Talk of RM making concessions. Guess what fellas, We are also going to have to make a few ourselves. If not, I am certain they are willing and capable to fight us, grind it out and push through the changes anyway. At best its about damage limitation now.
That was a well thought out argument,not, so do you think we should go back to the 19th century and just accept what our so called betters deem to give us

That was a well thought out response,not

Danelectro · Post by **Danelectro** » 17 Oct 2017, 06:49

UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.

Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.

Jamesneil402015 · Post by **Jamesneil402015** » 17 Oct 2017, 07:19

Danelectro wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.
Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.

Dane. He's clearly only on here to try a antagonise people. I wouldn't even rise to it.

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 17 Oct 2017, 10:11

redneck wrote:interesting, so Unite managers have rejected their pay deal too? They are generally as fed up as we are then. Although they still have sold their soul to implement whatever their masters require ultimately.

Not sure if there is a difference between the managers 'pay deal' you're referring to and the Four Pillars dispute we posties have been voting on but if they are one and the
same, the Unite ballot (which TBT pointed out on a different thread was merely a 'consultative' one) was hardly an overwhelming rejection. From the Unite
website itself:

"The ballot turnout was 28 percent with 49 per cent voting to accept the company’s position with 51 per cent voting to reject it."

Not much support from fellow Union members there in my opinion.

wdo1256 · Post by **wdo1256** » 17 Oct 2017, 12:06

yellowbelly wrote:
redneck wrote:interesting, so Unite managers have rejected their pay deal too? They are generally as fed up as we are then. Although they still have sold their soul to implement whatever their masters require ultimately.
Not sure if there is a difference between the managers 'pay deal' you're referring to and the Four Pillars dispute we posties have been voting on but if they are one and the
same, the Unite ballot (which TBT pointed out on a different thread was merely a 'consultative' one) was hardly an overwhelming rejection. From the Unite
website itself:

"The ballot turnout was 28 percent with 49 per cent voting to accept the company’s position with 51 per cent voting to reject it."

Not much support from fellow Union members there in my opinion.

Fair point
Maybe many didn't bother voting as they wanted to vote No and felt that they were going against their union wishes' , 28% turnout is poor by any standards. I'm hoping that there is common ground to work together to get us a better deal.

ScousePostie · Post by **ScousePostie** » 17 Oct 2017, 15:02

UrbanPirate wrote:There is little to no appetite to strike in my office in December. Not to mention the damage it would do to our reputation. It would be unforgivable to our customers. The CWU and people on this forum need to get Striking in December out of their heads. It would be embarrassing. Call a Strike, Nobody strikes. Plus, What is the obsession with striking? We don't want to strike. We want mediation to work and get a result so we can move on. Talk of RM making concessions. Guess what fellas, We are also going to have to make a few ourselves. If not, I am certain they are willing and capable to fight us, grind it out and push through the changes anyway. At best its about damage limitation now.

You're right, the majority of us do want mediation to work, but by the sounds of it talks are not going to work if RM don't want to talk. Most, if not all, in my office believe that mediation will not work.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 17 Oct 2017, 16:19

Danelectro wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.
Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.

It sure is his motto. Mr Royal "can't do anything wrong" Mail is at it again with his wooden spoon, s**t stirring.

At the end of the day if there is no agreement we are on strike before or after Christmas and if you don't like it, go and get another job!

UrbanPirate · Post by **UrbanPirate** » 17 Oct 2017, 18:14

Phantom wrote:
Danelectro wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.
Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.
It sure is his motto. Mr Royal "can't do anything wrong" Mail is at it again with his wooden spoon, s**t stirring.

At the end of the day if there is no agreement we are on strike before or after Christmas and if you don't like it, go and get another job!

Its not me who doesnt like it though. Is it? Its you lot. How about you go and get a new bloody job. OH WAIT!

Just because you lot want something to be true so hard, does not make it true. Do you seriously think people will strike in December? Really? Do you really think it would be wise to strike in December?

Changes are going to be made. A business must adapt with the times. If it doesnt. It fails. Adapt or die. I know which one I am capable of doing.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 17 Oct 2017, 19:25

UrbanPirate wrote: Adapt or die. I know which one I am capable of doing.

Surely you are capable of doing both (but not at the same time)

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 17 Oct 2017, 19:56

thing is with these hypocrites though, they totally reject the union, going on strike, or even arguing against RMs disgraceful plans. but when we've been out on strike and won concessions better terms and a decent payrise, they take them with no morals whatsoever. they've been to work, crossed the picket lines, then gladly take what we have fought for. they make me physically sick.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 17 Oct 2017, 20:07

clashcityrocker wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Adapt or die. I know which one I am capable of doing.
Surely you are capable of doing both (but not at the same time)

I think his point is supposed to be Darwinian in that animals that fail to adapt die.
If he knew what he was talking about he would understand that some animals adapt to their environment and some adapt their environment. Both are evolutionary.

Of course if you believe in God/s his whole point is not just irrelevant and uneducated, it's sacrilegious.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 17 Oct 2017, 20:11

UrbanPirate wrote:
Phantom wrote:
Danelectro wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.
Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.
It sure is his motto. Mr Royal "can't do anything wrong" Mail is at it again with his wooden spoon, s**t stirring.

At the end of the day if there is no agreement we are on strike before or after Christmas and if you don't like it, go and get another job!
Its not me who doesnt like it though. Is it? Its you lot. How about you go and get a new bloody job. OH WAIT!

Just because you lot want something to be true so hard, does not make it true. Do you seriously think people will strike in December? Really? Do you really think it would be wise to strike in December?

Changes are going to be made. A business must adapt with the times. If it doesnt. It fails. Adapt or die. I know which one I am capable of doing.

It's dying now - the board are running it into the ground, the offers that they are making will do nothing to grow the business and create new wealth. It's slash and burn you fool! Open your eyes.
Remember Philip Green who raided the pension pot, it's happening now so wake the f**k up! You're having your pants pulled down and you can't see it. It's a good job we didn't have to rely on people like you in the war, we'd all be talking German now.

wannabeek · Post by **wannabeek** » 17 Oct 2017, 20:30

Just be relieved that his views have been proven to be shared by very few employees in this company. 90% are not of that opinion so it's good to keep that in mind if you read those comments.

I've blocked them personally because its just more inane RM twaddle like we relentlessly had on the PDAs and through the letterbox but I can still read them whenever someone quotes their post.

Thanks for that by the way... not!

XCHpostie · Post by **XCHpostie** » 17 Oct 2017, 23:43

Phantom wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote:
Phantom wrote:
Danelectro wrote:
UrbanPirate wrote: Continue to live in your own delusions.
Is that your lifestyle motto,certainly seems to work for you.
It sure is his motto. Mr Royal "can't do anything wrong" Mail is at it again with his wooden spoon, s**t stirring.

At the end of the day if there is no agreement we are on strike before or after Christmas and if you don't like it, go and get another job!
Its not me who doesnt like it though. Is it? Its you lot. How about you go and get a new bloody job. OH WAIT!

Just because you lot want something to be true so hard, does not make it true. Do you seriously think people will strike in December? Really? Do you really think it would be wise to strike in December?

Changes are going to be made. A business must adapt with the times. If it doesnt. It fails. Adapt or die. I know which one I am capable of doing.
It's dying now - the board are running it into the ground, the offers that they are making will do nothing to grow the business and create new wealth. It's slash and burn you fool! Open your eyes.
Remember Philip Green who raided the pension pot, it's happening now so wake the f**k up! You're having your pants pulled down and you can't see it. It's a good job we didn't have to rely on people like you in the war, we'd all be talking German now.

You have hit the nail squarely on the head. I cannot believe that some people can show such empathy with their oppressors.