There is no fence to sit on in this dispute. Every single vote matters. VOTE YES

Bernardson · Post by **Bernardson** » 13 Sep 2017, 20:33

Had a debate with a few fence sitters/ non union members today. They seem like rabbits trapped in the headlights

"Surely Royal Mail can't do this after we scabbed last time

Seems to be the line they're taking but don't say outright

June the union vote YES 'solidarity for ever'.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 13 Sep 2017, 21:37

chickenwittle wrote:Think my point has been missed , ballot papers go to home address we make our vote in private , seal envelopes , give to union rep , name ticked off list as voted

RM do that with HYS I think we should trust our fellow union members after all it's not a bonus tick point as for the managers but what I would say is TALK to your fellow workers about this but don't tell them how to vote just that they need to have their say or pick splinters out of their ass for the rest of their working lives!

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 14 Sep 2017, 15:43

GT85 wrote:
I want to vote No but I'm not in the union
Not judging you, its personal choice after all, but wondering why you wish to vote No ?

Im not judging you either..but by voting no it means you are prepared to accept all their crap...meaning you will end up losing thousands from your pension..later start times..no pay rise...team working where if someone is on annual leave or goes sick you will have to absorb their workload which will inevitably lead to you working over your time for NO extra pay...you will HAVE to do it..you could be out til 7 pm.. 6 hour deliveries will mean many thousands of jobs will be lost..yours could well be one of them...WHY would anyone want to vote for that??..join us and vote to protect yours and your colleagues futures...vote YES

jab0510 · Post by **jab0510** » 14 Sep 2017, 16:12

My reason for a no vote.
Royal Mail is now a private company meaning they can do as they please within reason, they are not a charity. It is owned by shareholders who invest in it for a return.

DB pensions theses days are dead and buried the DC offer is still good compared to most companies.

So we have to start later! Not ideal but again it's Royal Mails right to change to operational needs. At least we have time for breakfast at home before work.

Pay is the only gripe I have, I believe it should always be at least with inflation.

We have a start and finish time just do your job in between it. Don't like it leave. Welcome to the new world.

Post by **RobertT** » 14 Sep 2017, 16:30

jab0510 wrote:My reason for a no vote.
Royal Mail is now a private company meaning they can do as they please within reason, they are not a charity. It is owned by shareholders who invest in it for a return.

DB pensions theses days are dead and buried the DC offer is still good compared to most companies.

So we have to start later! Not ideal but again it's Royal Mails right to change to operational needs. At least we have time for breakfast at home before work.

Pay is the only gripe I have, I believe it should always be at least with inflation.

We have a start and finish time just do your job in between it. Don't like it leave. Welcome to the new world.

Not heard about RM's plans for walk ownership and team working?

If they bring those in, there will be no 'finish time'.

Dayman! · Post by **Dayman!** » 14 Sep 2017, 16:35

jab0510 wrote:My reason for a no vote.
Royal Mail is now a private company meaning they can do as they please within reason, they are not a charity. It is owned by shareholders who invest in it for a return.

DB pensions theses days are dead and buried the DC offer is still good compared to most companies.

So we have to start later! Not ideal but again it's Royal Mails right to change to operational needs. At least we have time for breakfast at home before work.

Pay is the only gripe I have, I believe it should always be at least with inflation.

We have a start and finish time just do your job in between it. Don't like it leave. Welcome to the new world.

Currently we have a start and finish time. If RM get their way then you will have a set workload to complete rather than set hours, regardless of how long this takes.

mark.cup · Post by **mark.cup** » 14 Sep 2017, 17:10

Dayman! wrote:
jab0510 wrote:My reason for a no vote.
Royal Mail is now a private company meaning they can do as they please within reason, they are not a charity. It is owned by shareholders who invest in it for a return.

DB pensions theses days are dead and buried the DC offer is still good compared to most companies.

So we have to start later! Not ideal but again it's Royal Mails right to change to operational needs. At least we have time for breakfast at home before work.

Pay is the only gripe I have, I believe it should always be at least with inflation.

We have a start and finish time just do your job in between it. Don't like it leave. Welcome to the new world.
Currently we have a start and finish time. If RM get their way then you will have a set workload to complete rather than set hours, regardless of how long this takes.

This will never happen it's not legal to make people work beyond their contracted weekly hours....

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 14 Sep 2017, 17:17

It is legal if they change the contract to make it legal.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 14 Sep 2017, 17:32

chickenwittle wrote:Think my point has been missed , ballot papers go to home address we make our vote in private , seal envelopes , give to union rep , name ticked off list as voted

It has to be a proper postal vote, you can't hand your ballot paper to your area rep, you need to contact your branch and make sure this doesn't happen.
That's unbelievable coming from an area rep.

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 14 Sep 2017, 17:40

That's a good way to have the union involved in vote-tampering allegations.
Why do you (and he) think a pre-paid envelope is included?
Tell the idiot you'll send it back yourself, but happily inform him (the rep) if he wants to tick you off on his "ballot returned" list.

Post by **patrickstar14** » 14 Sep 2017, 17:52

Posted about this today already.
The new pipeline that we will have to sign up to if Royal Mail gets their way will have the biggest impact on our jobs, terms and conditions above anything else.
I am bothered about a pay rise this year but I am more concerned about the number of mail centres/delivery offices left after the above happens.
We have to get behind the CWU

ScousePostie · Post by **ScousePostie** » 14 Sep 2017, 18:06

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Ballots will have to achieve at least a 50% turnout of eligible union members, with a majority voting in favour of strike action.

One scenario for an invalid ballot that was used by our union rep to highlight how important your vote is;

100% yes vote
0% no vote
49% turnout

This would be an invalid ballot.

ScousePostie · Post by **ScousePostie** » 14 Sep 2017, 18:09

jab0510 wrote:My reason for a no vote.
Royal Mail is now a private company meaning they can do as they please within reason, they are not a charity. It is owned by shareholders who invest in it for a return.

DB pensions theses days are dead and buried the DC offer is still good compared to most companies.

So we have to start later! Not ideal but again it's Royal Mails right to change to operational needs. At least we have time for breakfast at home before work.

Pay is the only gripe I have, I believe it should always be at least with inflation.

We have a start and finish time just do your job in between it. Don't like it leave. Welcome to the new world.

Walk ownership effectively means no finish time. If you go over your contracted hours you won't be paid overtime like we are now. Whatever comes into the office will go out. There'll be no 'I haven't got time' anymore.

Glenno · Post by **Glenno** » 14 Sep 2017, 18:14

ScousePostie wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Ballots will have to achieve at least a 50% turnout of eligible union members, with a majority voting in favour of strike action.
One scenario for an invalid ballot that was used by our union rep to highlight how important your vote is;

100% yes vote
0% no vote
49% turnout

This would be an invalid ballot.

There is no way in hell of this scenario, but I do understand where your Rep is coming from, MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT< VOTE YES BUT MOST OF ALL VOTE< VOTE > VOTE>

ScousePostie · Post by **ScousePostie** » 14 Sep 2017, 18:16

Glenno wrote:
ScousePostie wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Ballots will have to achieve at least a 50% turnout of eligible union members, with a majority voting in favour of strike action.
One scenario for an invalid ballot that was used by our union rep to highlight how important your vote is;

100% yes vote
0% no vote
49% turnout

This would be an invalid ballot.
There is no way in hell of this scenario, but I do understand where your Rep is coming from, MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT< VOTE YES BUT MOST OF ALL VOTE< VOTE > VOTE>

Exactly. There is no way this would happen, ever. But it's a good way of showing how your vote counts.