How will you vote?

[jetblack]

Remind me what Einstein didn't say about the definition of insanity...

[baldrick]

The Conservatives' have been responsible for far more deaths and damage to the UK than the IRA and all the other terrorist groups together.

[mickeymacca]

It's right that we should confront Jihadists

Ok.
What's your plan?

Every attempt by western governments to confront Jihadist extremism head on has failed and not just failed but proper f****d up failed by making the situation worse and increasing the danger of terrorist attacks not only in western countries but more frequently in the countries where we have intervened.

I can hear a lot of blowhard, let's kick some ass, get tough shite but I'm not seeing even the tiniest glimpse of an idea that isn't same s**t-different day. Remind me what Einstein didn't say about the definition of insanity...

Exerting some pressure on Sauid Arabia and the other Gulf states that tacitly support Isis would be a start, rather than the approach the current and previous governments have had with these countries. That would inevitably have an effect on our economy though.

I disagree to some extent Fishtank, from what i have read Isis is a much more tangible organisation than Al Qaeda was/ is, some of the beliefs and motivations of the hardcore are as much feudal as they are religious, (many of the remnants of the Iraqi Imperial Guard shifted allegiance to Isis). But certainly as much as the foreign fighters and the ideology are concerned of course you are right. The uncomfortable truth is Isis and the other disparate groups fighting Assad served a purpose when it looked he could be overthrown, securing the region to the benefit of the Saudis, Gulf States and the West.

I suppose it's the nature of foreign policy that you have to maintain relations with some horrible f***ers, but all this emphasis on Corbyn and the IRA, when we have the kind of relations with these countries, and bearing in mind who they support, strikes me as perversely hypocritcal, but then you want see that on the front page of The Sun will you........

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[Tman]

Direct from the BBC-

Asked about his reaction when Downing Street and then-Prime Minister Sir John Major were targeted in an IRA mortar attack in 1991, Mr Corbyn said: "Obviously appalled.
"I was in Parliament at the time, I heard the attack go off... The bombing campaign was completely wrong because it was taking civilian lives and there had to be a process that dealt with the basis of it in Northern Ireland."

So from the horse's mouth. No mention of lives other than civilian, so clearly he felt that killing British soldiers, RUC officers, prison guards etc was innately justified in some strange distorted way.
As for Saudi, governments do many deals with despots, dictators, and assorted evil regimes, but that's hardly equitable to someone who is hoping to become PM giving tacit support to illegal organisations killing and maiming UK citizens back when he was a no-mark back bencher.
Quote from that hot-bed of Right Wing views (not!) the Guardian back in 1996 after the first IRA attack in Manchester-
"Corbyn is a fool, and a fool the Labour Party would be better off without. His actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not intended to do so".

Even back then he'd been sussed as nothing but a self-serving knob and detrimental to any possible peace deal. Things haven't changed where old Jezza's concerned.

[datasaint]

Cast my vote for labour by postal ballot few days back.

Shame we don't have proportional representation as this is a hardline tory constituency.

[NWpostie]

Cast my vote for labour by postal ballot few days back.

Shame we don't have proportional representation as this is a hardline tory constituency.

Good, let's hope we get a Tory government with T May at the helm, dealing with Brexit and terrorism in a robust manner with her wide range of experience.

Unlike the inexperienced naive gesture politics gimmicky labour leader, who is prepared to ignore the will of the people and abandon Brexit in the event of no deal

[datasaint]

Cast my vote for labour by postal ballot few days back.

Shame we don't have proportional representation as this is a hardline tory constituency.

Good, let's hope we get a Tory government with T May at the helm, dealing with Brexit and terrorism in a robust manner with her wide range of experience.

Tory gov is the worst possible outcome for working class jobs, they'll be attacking all the worker rights built up under the EU when we leave.

You're forgetting the tory party pushed through the Trade Union Act 2016, ask yourself why? http://cwunorthwestcentral.org/trade-union-act-2016/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PS. I voted leave, but not so we could be steamrolled by our own gov.

[NWpostie]

Unfortunately its Hobson's choice, do we have Corbyn in with his hard left views and economic policies that is going to be a disaster, the rich and the top ten businesses will just leave, just look at what happened in France. Hollande 75% tax, that didn't help anyone as the rich soon left and there was no money coming in to fund Hollande ambitious socialist plans.

Its a shame we didn't have Andy Bunham as leader as he represented the third way, he also had plenty of government experience, he knows hows run a government.

I would have voted for him.


NOT Corbyn.

[simply_the_best]

This guy has Corbyn's sussed..


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[Danelectro]

It's right that we should confront Jihadists, being western would make us a target anyway as Belgium had discovered. .

Belguim:
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[Danelectro]

Unfortunately its Hobson's choice, do we have Corbyn in with his hard left views and economic policies that is going to be a disaster, the rich and the top ten businesses will just leave, just look at what happened in France. Hollande 75% tax, that didn't help anyone as the rich soon left and there was no money coming in to fund Hollande ambitious socialist plans.

Its a shame we didn't have Andy Bunham as leader as he represented the third way, he also had plenty of government experience, he knows hows run a government.

I would have voted for him.


NOT Corbyn.

Your making things up.Hollande sent troops on to the street to force through his labour reforms.

[Danelectro]

Good, let's hope we get a Tory government with T May at the helm, dealing with Brexit and terrorism in a robust manner with her wide range of experience.

Postie votes against saving his job because Labour leader talked to member of Sinn Fein.I hope you will back the call for Prince Charles to be held in the Tower for shaking Gerry Adams hand.

[Tman]

This level of understanding and debate (above) is the downside of democracy.
It's the way Corbyn wants you to think as he hopes the thicko vote will carry the ballot in his favour, and people will forget about his self-seeking past.

[fishtank]

Would you prefer a higher level of debate Tman, one with a few Oily McSmugs, Wee Jimmy Krankies and some sweaty socks thrown in? The downside of democracy is that fear is the top trump, I don't rate Corbyn, I think he's a fraud and not what he pretends to be although if I were making up a personality I would have tried harder but...there's no doubt the working classes are heading into a whole heap of s**t under a sizeable Tory majority, what the real "thickos" don't realise is that we haven't had a Tory government since Thatcher's second term and all sorts of nasty people are about to line up to be the successor to the "Brexit and/or bust" Mrs May.

[Tman]

Nothing wrong with a few pointed jibes at the political leaders(?) that's been going on for decades, but at least I have some grasp of the issues (or at least, I hope I do).
In the meantime why have you gone back to your Pte Fraser impersonation?
Clearly May, her successor and so on in the Tory party won't have your or my interests as a high priority, never have and never will as anyone who has an understanding of the reasoning behind the Tory party's existence will understand only too well, but that doesn't make Corbyn the automatic alternative....far from it.
Him, the people lining up alongside him, like Abbott, Milne etc are no friends of the "working class" (whoever they may be in 2017) either, and that's the tragedy of the whole situation.
Even you lot have the blind alley that is the SNP, although wasting a cross on Wee Jimmie's bunch of tartan-waving oiks is ultimately self-destroying.
Millions of ordinary hard-working people with nowhere to put their vote....that's the real tragedy; at least Blair's Labour-lite led to electable politicians.