future of deliveries. email to bob gibson

[POSTMAN]

he is at our office this Friday after we finish our duties. does anyone want me to ask him anything regarding this post and the 6 hour deliveries?

Tell him I said hello...

Oh and that the waving thingie doesn't work.

[RTP]

he is at our office this Friday after we finish our duties. does anyone want me to ask him anything regarding this post and the 6 hour deliveries?

Ask him when time is going to be allocated to deliver to neighbour. After all it's only been going for over 2yrs now , or is it 3.

Ask him when time is going to be allocated for the extra time it takes with van trackers.

Ask him when DTD time is going to be looked at again so that enough time is given, because the times that where worked out a few yrs back are pathetic.

[halfull]

yes ask him what kind of membership he thinks the cwu will have if they allow 6 hour deliveries & a 5-6pm finish time

Allow! the CWU can and no doubt will oppose any move to a late finish but if Royal Mail truly want it they will get it, they will just offer enough incentives till the workforce accept

thats not what i asked.My question was ask bob what kind of membership the cwu will have after this, my guess is 50% less! and thats in the 1st month!

[daveyeff]

well he was there for about 2 hrs today. pleasant enough bloke. down to earth etc. went on for a while about the indoor workload constantly reducing. and RMs plans and strategy and the unions take on it. I asked your question 'halfull' by the way. he said the 6 hr delivery is what royal mail want, NOT the union. and this in his opinion will not come in. its been brought up in ideas but that's all. so we would get a vote if it ever came to that, and it wouldn't be voted in. he reckons membership is down by about 20% over the last few yrs and they don't want any more losses. he said if it came to a strike vote though, the 20% who have dropped out would probably follow with the rest of the membership. I asked about the one wave. he said the trial in Exeter is an XMS machine which is capable of sequencing letters and flats together. RM class it as the 'holy grail'. which will lead to them trying to do away with frames and IPS. this is why they are looking for ways to combat their strategy. the obvious is a shorter working week. nothing has been agreed and wont be until it is discussed and put forward to members. asked about our up coming pay deal, he said he hasn't got any idea what we will be seeking, but he says talks are starting on Tuesday. RMs plans are over the next 5 yrs. long road ahead with lots to do.

[halfull]

well he was there for about 2 hrs today. pleasant enough bloke. down to earth etc. went on for a while about the indoor workload constantly reducing. and RMs plans and strategy and the unions take on it. I asked your question 'halfull' by the way. he said the 6 hr delivery is what royal mail want, NOT the union. and this in his opinion will not come in. its been brought up in ideas but that's all. so we would get a vote if it ever came to that, and it wouldn't be voted in. he reckons membership is down by about 20% over the last few yrs and they don't want any more losses. he said if it came to a strike vote though, the 20% who have dropped out would probably follow with the rest of the membership. I asked about the one wave. he said the trial in Exeter is an XMS machine which is capable of sequencing letters and flats together. RM class it as the 'holy grail'. which will lead to them trying to do away with frames and IPS. this is why they are looking for ways to combat their strategy. the obvious is a shorter working week. nothing has been agreed and wont be until it is discussed and put forward to members. asked about our up coming pay deal, he said he hasn't got any idea what we will be seeking, but he says talks are starting on Tuesday. RMs plans are over the next 5 yrs. long road ahead with lots to do.

what a shock membership is down 20%! Does he and the other bigwigs understand why? because they have totally left people in deliveries to rot!
And indoor work constantly reducing! this really is amazing! it shows how detached from reality they really are! we are indoors longer & do way more indoors than we ever did! the time to prep packets alone has tippled! Totally lost in the crap royalmail spin!

[franco1]

Hi my names Bob....

[k979aaa]

well he was there for about 2 hrs today. pleasant enough bloke. down to earth etc. went on for a while about the indoor workload constantly reducing. and RMs plans and strategy and the unions take on it. I asked your question 'halfull' by the way. he said the 6 hr delivery is what royal mail want, NOT the union. and this in his opinion will not come in. its been brought up in ideas but that's all. so we would get a vote if it ever came to that, and it wouldn't be voted in. he reckons membership is down by about 20% over the last few yrs and they don't want any more losses. he said if it came to a strike vote though, the 20% who have dropped out would probably follow with the rest of the membership. I asked about the one wave. he said the trial in Exeter is an XMS machine which is capable of sequencing letters and flats together. RM class it as the 'holy grail'. which will lead to them trying to do away with frames and IPS. this is why they are looking for ways to combat their strategy. the obvious is a shorter working week. nothing has been agreed and wont be until it is discussed and put forward to members. asked about our up coming pay deal, he said he hasn't got any idea what we will be seeking, but he says talks are starting on Tuesday. RMs plans are over the next 5 yrs. long road ahead with lots to do.

Not seen Bob Gibson or any union bods in our area but plenty of planers running around the office are they doing a pre-emptive strike of sorts by pulling the rug from under the CWU and it's members and non members? It is time the union woke up before the members leave and they have no union just having London as a last redoubt cannot and will not save it from the same fate as the rest of the country!

[daveyeff]

its strange that they keep banging on about mail declining, yet they are still spending millions on new sorting machines.

[deadbox]

DAVEYEFF " he said the 6 hr delivery is what royal mail want, NOT the union. and this in his opinion will not come in. its been brought up in ideas but that's all"


I set out on delivery and crossed the office gates at 0844 this morning and clocked off at 1555...I make that a 7+ hour delivery span (inc. 50min extended del. without a meal break )

it's already happening

[daveyeff]

yes, ive done that quite a few times lately. our delivery spans are set at 4.45 and we regularly go over by a couple of hours or more, especially when then packets are bad. the thing to remember here though is, the actual lenghth of your span as it is NOW. as I said ours is 4.45 and we are going up to 7 hrs sometimes. so if the spans are set at 6 hours. then it is a reality you could be doing 8 hr/ 8hrs 30 spans.

[Spy]

yes, ive done that quite a few times lately. our delivery spans are set at 4.45 and we regularly go over by a couple of hours or more, especially when then packets are bad. the thing to remember here though is, the actual lenghth of your span as it is NOW. as I said ours is 4.45 and we are going up to 7 hrs sometimes. so if the spans are set at 6 hours. then it is a reality you could be doing 8 hr/ 8hrs 30 spans.

Are you deluded ?

How are management going to make me or anyone else work in excess of 8 hour days ?

Reality ?? Ridiculous !!

[Spy]

DAVEYEFF " he said the 6 hr delivery is what royal mail want, NOT the union. and this in his opinion will not come in. its been brought up in ideas but that's all"


I set out on delivery and crossed the office gates at 0844 this morning and clocked off at 1555...I make that a 7+ hour delivery span (inc. 50min extended del. without a meal break )

it's already happening

You're a hero deadbox. Management must love you. I just hope you got paid plenty of o/t for your pains.
You obviously enjoy what you're doing.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

You obviously think debate is enhanced by name calling.

Oh and the rules: If someone has a different position to you please respect their right to have differing views, and enjoy yourself when picking holes in their position in a constructive way. We would much rather have a long winded well thought out argument, picking out weak points in someone's position, than have a thread full of 1 line insults.

Please do not in any circumstances resort to name calling or behaviour that could be deemed as bullying or harassment.

[daveyeff]

yes, ive done that quite a few times lately. our delivery spans are set at 4.45 and we regularly go over by a couple of hours or more, especially when then packets are bad. the thing to remember here though is, the actual lenghth of your span as it is NOW. as I said ours is 4.45 and we are going up to 7 hrs sometimes. so if the spans are set at 6 hours. then it is a reality you could be doing 8 hr/ 8hrs 30 spans.

Are you deluded ?

How are management going to make me or anyone else work in excess of 8 hour days ?

Reality ?? Ridiculous !!

bring in 3 x 10 hr shifts and 1 x 9 hr.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

yes, ive done that quite a few times lately. our delivery spans are set at 4.45 and we regularly go over by a couple of hours or more, especially when then packets are bad. the thing to remember here though is, the actual lenghth of your span as it is NOW. as I said ours is 4.45 and we are going up to 7 hrs sometimes. so if the spans are set at 6 hours. then it is a reality you could be doing 8 hr/ 8hrs 30 spans.

Sounds similar to us, spans are supposedly now ~4hrs30mins by "palnners," but in reality they are only close to that around model week (where we still struggle to finish on time, not cutting the job up). But for most of the year, the delivery span is in reality ~5hrs15mins to ~5hrs30mins. The walk sizes are too big to take account of the increasing parcels and they are certainly too big to take account of Delivery To Neighbour, where my watch keeps ticking, rather than time freezing.

And that is before we talk about how much IPS/portering/parcel sorting time they think we have time for indoors, on top of prepping our frame and the silly amount of D2Ds. If we don't have work time learning, as per most Tuesdays, we don't get finished 30mins early... It simply reduces the amount of overtime needed to complete the delivery duty, or reduces how much we cut-off via the crazy current over-running procedure.