Royal Mail v DHL

[DaveLA4ever]

. Just because some other mailing companies are either limited or plcs doesn't mean Royal Mail could survive as one.

The rhetorical question that screams out from the above sentence is Would those other mailing companies ( as private business concerns ) be able fulfil the Universal Service Obligation ( the ability to deliver to every household in the UK & collect from every postbox every working day ) in the same manner as Royal Mail has for years?

Just complete the following tie-breaker in 1500 word or less

"You & Crozier should resign with immediate effect because....."

and send your answers to Alan Leighton, c/o Royal Mail, Royal Mail House, 148 Old Street, London. EC1V 9HQ

1st Prize is being roundly ignored.

2nd Prize is getting a condescending letter in reply, then being roundly ignored.

LOL from what I gathered, would he be able to read an essay consisting of 1500 words? Cos it may prove too much for him... lol

[smokerjim]

. Just because some other mailing companies are either limited or plcs doesn't mean Royal Mail could survive as one.

The rhetorical question that screams out from the above sentence is Would those other mailing companies ( as private business concerns ) be able fulfil the Universal Service Obligation ( the ability to deliver to every household in the UK & collect from every postbox every working day ) in the same manner as Royal Mail has for years?

Just complete the following tie-breaker in 1500 word or less

"You & Crozier should resign with immediate effect because....."

and send your answers to Alan Leighton, c/o Royal Mail, Royal Mail House, 148 Old Street, London. EC1V 9HQ

1st Prize is being roundly ignored.

2nd Prize is getting a condescending letter in reply, then being roundly ignored.

LOL from what I gathered, would he be able to read an essay consisting of 1500 words? Cos it may prove too much for him... lol

True - send it in a package containing a box of mars bars, Fray Bentos pies & a packet of lard & maybe he will like it so much he won't have to struggle with your answer......don't send it via Parcel Force, he'll only ignore it.....send it via TNT, he might think it's another job offer.

[janitor]

No one would ever believe adam crozier worked for saatchi and saatchi as an advertising executive

Maybe he was the tea boy.

[hmtkeren]

i used to work at saachi and saatchi as a security guard on nights it was just one big round of pissups and parties looks like nothing has changed then

[k979aaa]

i used to work at saachi and saatchi as a security guard on nights it was just one big round of pissups and parties looks like nothing has changed then

adam i'll have a babysham!.

[Wild Cat]

#Aint no mountain high enough

#Aint no valley low enough

#Aint no river wide enough

#We just dump it on yooo ooohh!!!

[wileycat]

Got bored and thought I would check out the costs of posting an A4 letter using the next day services through DHL and us at RM

DHL Pre noon £28.00
Pre 9am £49.00
Prices quoted apply to DHL account holders only and do not include our Frequent User Discount or the current Fuel Surcharge.

RM Pre 1pm Special £4.30
Pre 9am Special £9.35

I think the public will be in for a shock when RM goes down the pan.

People use DHL through they're business customers, they pay £3.99 for a next day upto 31.5kg and charge just £4.99 to the customers.

[moanmoanmoan]

Therefore, IMO, this current management structure does not work.

And your opinion is correct. There has been a determination to sell off Royal Mail and these last few years have been solely to create an atmosphere that the public will accept. It isn't the ordinary workers that have failed to provide a service but the managements brief to destroy the public confidence in it. Many of us with a number of years service have felt that the system has been continually stretched and starved of investment. Our service was opened to competition years before it was necessary and this management was determined to become the poor cousin. The public should be made aware of what is in store for them and before it is too late.

As a customer I find the RM special delivery service fantastic value and very efficient. Generally our general first class mail service is something that many customers do not appreciate. Having spent a lot of time working in Europe our system is without equal.

The DHL vs RM thread in itself is not a fair one as RM does not have the option to pick and choose what business they take. The private companies can cherry pick - RM can not.

I live in a rural area and are fully aware what would happen if the "service" were thrown open to market forces. The low and universal price of sending a letter would disapear.

The current situation whereby the likes of DHL can undercut RM on high volume business mail and then have RM deliver seems mad to me.
All it means is that DHL or whoever make a profit that should be going to RM.

One of the gripes talked about in the press is that RM looses something around 5p per letter.

With the price of everything today I do not think that to most people an extra 5p on the cost of a stamp is a big issue. When a pint is £2.50+ and fuel is £5/gallon to most people - unless they are letter junkies it is just not significant. If in the mean time it reduced the amount of junk mail sent then all the better.

[L Tommo]

Moan moan... Well back us in this strike and then we will give you back this FANTASTIC service we always have had.... THATS NOT A BRIBE ITS FACT... HELP US GET RID OF AL N ADAM... SPEAK OUT AGAINST POSTCOMM... ROW WITH THE GOVERMENT.... IF YOU CARE LIKE WE CARE!!!?



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THE PUBLIC ARE LOSING A SERVICE... WE THE WORKERS WANT TO SAVE THIS SERVICE...

[dvbuk55]

Therefore, IMO, this current management structure does not work.

And your opinion is correct. There has been a determination to sell off Royal Mail and these last few years have been solely to create an atmosphere that the public will accept. It isn't the ordinary workers that have failed to provide a service but the managements brief to destroy the public confidence in it. Many of us with a number of years service have felt that the system has been continually stretched and starved of investment. Our service was opened to competition years before it was necessary and this management was determined to become the poor cousin. The public should be made aware of what is in store for them and before it is too late.

As a customer I find the RM special delivery service fantastic value and very efficient. Generally our general first class mail service is something that many customers do not appreciate. Having spent a lot of time working in Europe our system is without equal.

The DHL vs RM thread in itself is not a fair one as RM does not have the option to pick and choose what business they take. The private companies can cherry pick - RM can not.

I live in a rural area and are fully aware what would happen if the "service" were thrown open to market forces. The low and universal price of sending a letter would disappear.

The current situation whereby the likes of DHL can undercut RM on high volume business mail and then have RM deliver seems mad to me.
All it means is that DHL or whoever make a profit that should be going to RM.

One of the gripes talked about in the press is that RM looses something around 5p per letter.

With the price of everything today I do not think that to most people an extra 5p on the cost of a stamp is a big issue. When a pint is £2.50+ and fuel is £5/gallon to most people - unless they are letter junkies it is just not significant. If in the mean time it reduced the amount of junk mail sent then all the better.

It's a fair point you make moanmoan but if the average customer was to pay an extra 5p per letter it would be considerably more than our competitors pay per delivered item, which at the moment is 13p. Mrs Jones letter to her grandson is totally irrelevant and of no significance to Royal Mail and yet to a delivery officer it is far more important than 100 TNT generated items of mail.

The last mile is the most expensive because it is labour intensive. Even more intensive than the Hierarchy believe. Before these troubles they were overloading the system and even though MLOs are losing work, delivery work has increased.

Make no mistake this attack on the membership of the CWU is also the thin end of the wedge for the customer. I would predict that the first to go after the Sunday/Bank Holiday collections, which cease on 28 October, will be Saturday deliveries, then, as happens in other countries, daily deliveries to rural communities. You know what they say about you never know what you had til it's gone, well it's about to go.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I'm not sure Saturday deliveries will go in the near future. Crozier is supposed to have said they are a selling point as our 'competitors' don't deliver on Saturdays and we do.

[moanmoanmoan]

L tommo,

Having initially visited your chat room to discover more than the media had to offer I fully understand why you went on strike.

Many of the proposed condition changes were untenable-eg. changing start times by up to 2 hours on short notice for instance. How can people deal with that and children etc. for example.

I have never said that I did not support your strike.

Your union voted to strike against proposals that were harmful both to the service and to your members. I believe that standing up against this is right.

My only area of disagreement is on non union members. I believe that they have the right to make their own decision BUT I do not think that they should receive any changes to their T&C's if they do not support the strike.

Were this to be the case then more would join the union.

We agree on most issues - the government is the source of most of the problems!!

I do hope that the strike enables you guys to get a fair deal and that we continue to have a great public service.

It should continue as a service and not a PLC. If people want to use a PLC then use DHL etc

[moanmoanmoan]

Therefore, IMO, this current management structure does not work.

And your opinion is correct. There has been a determination to sell off Royal Mail and these last few years have been solely to create an atmosphere that the public will accept. It isn't the ordinary workers that have failed to provide a service but the managements brief to destroy the public confidence in it. Many of us with a number of years service have felt that the system has been continually stretched and starved of investment. Our service was opened to competition years before it was necessary and this management was determined to become the poor cousin. The public should be made aware of what is in store for them and before it is too late.

As a customer I find the RM special delivery service fantastic value and very efficient. Generally our general first class mail service is something that many customers do not appreciate. Having spent a lot of time working in Europe our system is without equal.

The DHL vs RM thread in itself is not a fair one as RM does not have the option to pick and choose what business they take. The private companies can cherry pick - RM can not.

I live in a rural area and are fully aware what would happen if the "service" were thrown open to market forces. The low and universal price of sending a letter would disappear.

The current situation whereby the likes of DHL can undercut RM on high volume business mail and then have RM deliver seems mad to me.
All it means is that DHL or whoever make a profit that should be going to RM.

One of the gripes talked about in the press is that RM looses something around 5p per letter.

With the price of everything today I do not think that to most people an extra 5p on the cost of a stamp is a big issue. When a pint is £2.50+ and fuel is £5/gallon to most people - unless they are letter junkies it is just not significant. If in the mean time it reduced the amount of junk mail sent then all the better.

It's a fair point you make moanmoan but if the average customer was to pay an extra 5p per letter it would be considerably more than our competitors pay per delivered item, which at the moment is 13p. Mrs Jones letter to her grandson is totally irrelevant and of no significance to Royal Mail and yet to a delivery officer it is far more important than 100 TNT generated items of mail.

The last mile is the most expensive because it is labour intensive. Even more intensive than the Hierarchy believe. Before these troubles they were overloading the system and even though MLOs are losing work, delivery work has increased.

Make no mistake this attack on the membership of the CWU is also the thin end of the wedge for the customer. I would predict that the first to go after the Sunday/Bank Holiday collections, which cease on 28 October, will be Saturday deliveries, then, as happens in other countries, daily deliveries to rural communities. You know what they say about you never know what you had til it's gone, well it's about to go.

My point on the junk mail was aimed towards the DHL's etc. If the prices for general stamps go up by 5p then the competitor prices should go up by 15p!!

They have no other options and it would provide the money to continue offering a great service and pay towards maintaining fair conditions for the workforce

[L Tommo]

L tommo,

Having initially visited your chat room to discover more than the media had to offer I fully understand why you went on strike.

Many of the proposed condition changes were untenable-eg. changing start times by up to 2 hours on short notice for instance. How can people deal with that and children etc. for example.

I have never said that I did not support your strike.

Your union voted to strike against proposals that were harmful both to the service and to your members. I believe that standing up against this is right.

My only area of disagreement is on non union members. I believe that they have the right to make their own decision BUT I do not think that they should receive any changes to their T&C's if they do not support the strike.

Were this to be the case then more would join the union.

We agree on most issues - the government is the source of most of the problems!!

I do hope that the strike enables you guys to get a fair deal and that we continue to have a great public service.

It should continue as a service and not a PLC. If people want to use a PLC then use DHL etc

All but one bit...... The strike breakers that cross the picket lines have a choice... Course they have...... STRIKE OR SCAB.... Either if they are in the union or not...

A strike breakers A SCAB, AND IS A SCAB BECAUSE THEY SCABBED.... AND SO ON.... I dont see any different?????

Now your other points are correct... In my opinion....

ANYBODY WHO HAS THERE OWN FREE WILL AND USES IT TO DEMINISH THE GOOD WORK AND STRUGGLE OF THE WORKING CLASSES AND THE FIGHT FOR FAIR PLAY AND FAIR PAY ARE NOT SEEN AS PEOPLE WHO DESERVE A SECOND THOUGHT.... And thats my right to that opinion as it theres to there opinion......


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[Trends Guild]

I guess it does depend on what the public like myself want, either:

1) A Business-based Service or
2) A Public-Service

Now with the option 1, you have to make Royal Mail a PLC, evidently even though the HM Government took partial control in 2000, it's still not making much in terms of quality, fairness of employees etc, I think everyone can say, the management sucks ass, LOL. With the option 2, there won't be shareholders and treating its employees bad in terms of trying to gain proft because the goal for option 2 isn't to make profit, it's to make a public service run as smoothly as possible. If Royal mail did become a division of the Government, where there won't be a PLC, the responsiblity lies with the Government entirely and I don't think the Gov would screw Royal Mail as much as they're doing right now. Just because some other mailing companies are either limited or plcs doesn't mean Royal Mail could survive as one.

Therefore, IMO, this current management structure does not work.

What about making it like the police force? In theory at least, they are independent and directly employed by the taxpayer, not by the government, and not by a business entity.
The police force gets megabucks increase every year and nobody bats an eyelid because they are seen as 'essential services'. Surely door to door delivery which is capable of reaching *and guarantees to reach* every single address in the British Isles is also an essential public service which cannot possibly be replaced by private companies.