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Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
LTB 125/15 Flexibility in Delivery Offices Clarification
No. 125 /15
Ref: 230.03
Date: 26th February 2015
To: Branches with POSTAL Members
Dear Colleague,
Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
It has become apparent having attended the Unit Reps Briefings and membership meetings recently that Royal Mail managers are not following national agreements and guidelines etc when it comes to flexibility in Delivery Offices. For ease of reference the words contained in the Integrated Delivery Programme of the Agenda for Growth states the following.
Point of Clarification on 30 mins Flexibility
Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minute flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement. The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.
Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual's personal obligations and responsibilities.
There is no other agreement in place between Royal Mail and the CWU that overrides or supersedes this statement. To be absolutely clear any hours worked before or after official duty times should attract the appropriate overtime payment, unless there is an arrangement agreed in line with the above.
Where managers continue to insist that working beyond duty time is part of some imaginary flexibility agreement then a disagreement should be put in place to resolve the matter using the IR Framework.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson's Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org
Yours sincerely
Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary
No. 125 /15
Ref: 230.03
Date: 26th February 2015
To: Branches with POSTAL Members
Dear Colleague,
Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
It has become apparent having attended the Unit Reps Briefings and membership meetings recently that Royal Mail managers are not following national agreements and guidelines etc when it comes to flexibility in Delivery Offices. For ease of reference the words contained in the Integrated Delivery Programme of the Agenda for Growth states the following.
Point of Clarification on 30 mins Flexibility
Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minute flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement. The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.
Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual's personal obligations and responsibilities.
There is no other agreement in place between Royal Mail and the CWU that overrides or supersedes this statement. To be absolutely clear any hours worked before or after official duty times should attract the appropriate overtime payment, unless there is an arrangement agreed in line with the above.
Where managers continue to insist that working beyond duty time is part of some imaginary flexibility agreement then a disagreement should be put in place to resolve the matter using the IR Framework.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson's Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org
Yours sincerely
Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
Just wave a bit of paper about Bob, that should do the trick. 
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
I wonder how long it is going to take Uncle Bob to work out his fellow union members are having the piss taken out of them
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
No mention of this being voluntary in the above article.
If you don't wish to flex can your manager impose it on you ?
Some managers seem to think that is the case.
If you don't wish to flex can your manager impose it on you ?
Some managers seem to think that is the case.
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A2B
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
Seems clear to me, it's totally voluntaryToby Tyke wrote:No mention of this being voluntary in the above article.
If you don't wish to flex can your manager impose it on you ?
Some managers seem to think that is the case.
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dave0876
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
No they can't make you
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
We all know what happened last timefishtank wrote:Just wave a bit of paper about Bob, that should do the trick.
or was it

I am easily confused.
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
QualityTrueBlueTerrier wrote:We all know what happened last timefishtank wrote:Just wave a bit of paper about Bob, that should do the trick.
or was it
I am easily confused.
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
A colleague was told it would be noted if you refused and could result in disciplinary action if refusal continued. What you got to say about that Bob?Toby Tyke wrote:No mention of this being voluntary in the above article.
If you don't wish to flex can your manager impose it on you ?
Some managers seem to think that is the case.
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
Don't laugh much but this got mePOSTMAN wrote:
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
I thought it was up to 30 minutes either way per week? Or am I reading it wrong that it means 30 mins per day?This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
It's changed.It doesn't have to be in the same week.Sir Henry wrote:I thought it was up to 30 minutes either way per week? Or am I reading it wrong that it means 30 mins per day?This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
FFS, that LTB is dated 26th February 2015, and it's changed already ?POSTMAN wrote: It's changed.It doesn't have to be in the same week.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Flexibility in Delivery Offices - Clarification
No,it's changed from the original agreement...Pinky 1 wrote:FFS, that LTB is dated 26th February 2015, and it's changed already ?POSTMAN wrote: It's changed.It doesn't have to be in the same week.
Original agreement says 'in the same week'.This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.