Paid overtime but finishes early

[Hitcher]

If the prep that he is being paid overtime for is not part of his assigned duty then then that is all he should be doing between 06:30 and 08:30. If he is using the overtime period to tie up, bag and start delivery, thereby reducing his normal working time, then he is in fact "ghosting" and that is a definite no no.

Standard practice it seems. Happens in our office with guys going out the door over an hour early - nothing said or done about it.

[chrisj]

So this guy is contracted on say 30 hours a week - 8.30-14.30

He should be prepping his own walk anyway and then doing a 3.30 hr delivery. So he has about 2.30 hr to prep his own walk - a bit slack but no great shakes... This is somewhat what the system was like before...

However, getting paid 2 hours extra to prep another walk is just compounding the slackness. The manager is an idiot because he is paying this guy 8 hours a day instead of the average 7.48 hr that full timers get to make 39 hours a week.

At ours, the part timers prepping other walks will be lucky to 1.30 minutes. Sometimes, the manager only pays then 1 hour because they come in early anyway.

So his easy walk is just about 15/30 minutes less than what can be considered average these days and his prep time is generous. However, when you look at the time someone finishes, do you factor in the time the person started and how fast/efficient the person is?

[chrisj]

Part timers on 32 hours at our should come in around 8.15 and be ready to go out at about 10.00 am and then do at least 3.45-4.15 delivery.

If this guy is on an easy walk as highlighted: his original prep time is perhaps more than 45 minutes generous.

FT staff get about 1.15 hrs to throw out an additional walk (including d2ds) at ours - it is never enough on some bigger rounds.

[pyphon]

if the postie is getting finished early it's performance related pay, the postie is efficient.

[OnAFlyer]

So this guy is contracted on say 30 hours a week - 8.30-14.30

He should be prepping his own walk anyway and then doing a 3.30 hr delivery. So he has about 2.30 hr to prep his own walk - a bit slack but no great shakes... This is somewhat what the system was like before...

However, getting paid 2 hours extra to prep another walk is just compounding the slackness. The manager is an idiot because he is paying this guy 8 hours a day instead of the average 7.48 hr that full timers get to make 39 hours a week.

At ours, the part timers prepping other walks will be lucky to 1.30 minutes. Sometimes, the manager only pays then 1 hour because they come in early anyway.

So his easy walk is just about 15/30 minutes less than what can be considered average these days and his prep time is generous. However, when you look at the time someone finishes, do you factor in the time the person started and how fast/efficient the person is?

2hrs 30 to prep a walk is a p*ss take unless it's a commercial. In our office there are double prep duties getting both walks fully prepped in less time than that.

[DGP1]

I think the OP is getting at that the postie in question hours could be better aligned to their workload, thus RM wouldn't be paying OT when the work could be completed in their basic hours.

If the person is just doing 'indoor work' then I don't see the issue with what they are doing, the duty might need re-aligned to allow the duty holder to work indoors but I doubt it.

[Postie45]

So its more efficient to stretch it out all day and claim....ok right

so youre agreeing there isnt enough work for him to do in his duty time ?

[chrisj]

2.30 hours prep for a single walk is too much but I forgot to take away his 30 minutes break. Moreover, he is not going to use the full 2 hours just to prep & bag up... But if he is on an easierwalk then he is gaining both indoors and outdoors; but he is not the only one in that regards.

The issue is paying him 2 hours to prep an additional walk when other FT staff usually get about 1.15 (like someone said 2.30 hours for 2 walks is about par).

Paying him 2 hours extra actually take him to 40 hours a week - more than the 39 hours for FT staff.

As for finishing early - there are a few other variables on top the easy walk scenario. His partner might even be coming in early; so he does not even have to full prep, how much prepping does he do (does it include, second box of mech, parcels and redirection?)? And how fast and efficient is he is also a consideration.

[Tuffers1875]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

[Postie45]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

hard to make sense of this story, but why didnt the guy on Saturday do the absorption in the 1st place ? you dont get to choose to do it on Monday.

[Tuffers1875]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

hard to make sense of this story, but why didnt the guy on Saturday do the absorption in the 1st place ? you dont get to choose to do it on Monday.

Because he couldn't be bothered and he'd got them out of a mess by doing half another walk? So he felt justified?

[P13]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

hard to make sense of this story, but why didnt the guy on Saturday do the absorption in the 1st place ? you dont get to choose to do it on Monday.

Because he couldn't be bothered and he'd got them out of a mess by doing half another walk? So he felt justified?

Did the manager record the failure

[Tuffers1875]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

hard to make sense of this story, but why didnt the guy on Saturday do the absorption in the 1st place ? you dont get to choose to do it on Monday.

Because he couldn't be bothered and he'd got them out of a mess by doing half another walk? So he felt justified?

Did the manager record the failure

The gaffer was doing a walk himself in this scenario

[bensonhedge]

if the postie is getting finished early it's performance related pay, the postie is efficient.

[Postie45]

What do you think of this scenario then; a super fast postie does half a walk on overtime on a Saturday plus his own walk. He does his own walk and his overtime well within time but leaves his absorption in the frame. Postie who is due on the absorbed walk the following Monday comes back to find this absorption still in the frame. Postie who finds the absorption wonders if the other fella 'forgot' to take it or, because he was doing a lot of overtime that he couldn't be bothered. Postie who finds absorption bands it up and leaves it on the other fellas frame so that when he gets back he will realise that he had 'forgotten' it. Monday morning and the absorption was back on the original frame. Postie who is on the absorbed duty throws the banded mail on the floor and has nothing to do with it. An argument ensues and the overtime postie said that he was going to take it out on the Monday. Why then did he put it back on the absorbed frame and not leave it on his own frame? Overtime postie took the absorption on Monday but is now ignoring the absorption postie.

hard to make sense of this story, but why didnt the guy on Saturday do the absorption in the 1st place ? you dont get to choose to do it on Monday.

Because he couldn't be bothered and he'd got them out of a mess by doing half another walk? So he felt justified?

well, without any more details, it seems the Saturday OT guy has opened himself up to wilful delay, leaving mail hes responsible for without notifying the manager is a no no